Honestly, none of these men that I am aware of have claimed to be in the office of an OLD TESTAMENT prophet. But perhaps they have a prophetic gift. There is a difference between holding the office of prophet and bearing a prophetic gift.
If you're going to say these men are false prophets because perhaps they misused their giftings and made a mistake, then I'm going to have to say any time you're a false-teacher-preacher-giver-encourager-etc all the times you've missused your giftings.
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but bro im not gonna go point my finger and call them false prophets.
KingJimmy wrote:All these "prophets" ascribe to a false doctrine that says modern day prophets don't have to be 100% accurate in what they prophesy to come to pass.
Like Jonah when he was sent by God to prophecy Nineveh right?
KingJimmy wrote:They bear no fruit.
KingJimmy wrote:Please read the thread more, I comment on Jonah a bit.
ok still wont change the truth of my point though, you cannot change the word of God dear sir.
KingJimmy wrote:I quoted Jonah (and others) to show there is a conditional nature to prophecy. However, this conditional nature to prophecy gives very little explanation to understanding the current so-called prophetic movement.
I used to go to a church, and the pastor would say if anybody has a word for someone and its negative, pray about it, if its still negative pray some more, and still negative then dont give it, because it's not God. because God doesnt give negative words to people.Im sorry, the whole bible is full of warnings to Gods people who need a stiff kick in the pants to get right with him.That is the kind of junk these prophets are dishing out today.Read Ezekiel 14:4-11Therefore speak to them and tell them, thus says the Lord God, any man of the house of Israel who sets up his idols in his heart puts right before his face the stumbling block of his iniquity then comes to the prophet, I the Lord will be brought to give him an answer in the matter in veiw of the multitude of his idols. 5 in order to lay hold of the hearts of the house of Israel who are estranged from me through all their idols, therefore say to the house of Israel thus says the Lord God repent and turn away from your idols and turn your faces away from all your abominations for anyone of the house of Israel or the immigrants who stay in Israel who seperates himself from me sets up his idols in his heart puts right before his face the stumbling block of his iniquity and then comes to the prophet to inquire of me for himself I the Lord will be brought to answer him in my own person I will set my face against that man and make him a sign and a proverb and I will cut him off from among my people so you will know that I am the Lord but if the prophet is prevailed upon to speak a word it is I the Lord who prevailed upon that prophet and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel they will bear the punishment of their iniquity as the the iniquity of the inquirer is so the iniquity of the prophet will be in order that the house of Israel may no longer stray from me and no longer defile themselves with all their transgressions thus they will be my people and I shall be their God, declares the Lord God.Let me say something here at this point, I see and have seen people in church who had sin in their lives and would seek out these prophets, I call them "word addicts" and these so called prophets or whatever always have a great word for them, and never addressing the sin in their lives.. try reading ezekiel chapter 3 conscerning that.anyway, I went to a church who was advertising REVIVAL!!! so i took my family, and I saw something that blew me and my family away, the evangelist talked about Joseph, and His anointing. And said God was going to give out a Joseph anointing, who wants to come up and get a Joseph anointing, the church flocked up to the alter, people pressing in to get this impartation.Lets not worry about your charecter right?!everyone is falling on the ground, some got pushed but whatever, There was no way he was going to lay hands on me or my family, we left.Revival, is getting right with God, repentance, holiness, purity, a changed life, a crucified life, CRUCIFIED LIFE.these so called prophets talk about power, a new thing, prosperity, but oh never a crucified life.When these people think that God is going to do a new thing through them, they will have Apostolic authority, when they say the FRUIT of an Apostle is numbers. look 80,000 came to our meeting.If that is the litmus test then I guess the muslim religion has apostolic sucession.A church in our town thought that it was having revival around 9 years ago, and weird stuff started happening, and one morning the pastor stood at the pulpit and said to the congregation, look people do you want the word of God, or do you want a move of God. then he said, just leave your bibles at home and just trust me.would you believe the leadership of that church swallowed the hook and the church almost fell into judgment, the pastor fell, lost the church 300,000 dollars and many left and had to leave.its starting to recover now but it took a long time.These new prophets are gonna start preaching new revelation, new understanding of scripture.RUN for your life's, trust me, and when someone who is deceived even leadership, they dont know it, they will genuinely go to the gates of heaven thinking they will be able to enter, but not be able to, many will strive to enter will not be able to.
I agree with Jimmy... I dislike the modern prophetic movement and its "prophets", not solely for their inaccurate prophecies, but for how they view the prophetic ministry itself. I do, however, understand why people find much interest in them and what they teach.Great if you've been blessed by Rick Joyner, Roy Engle, or Bob Jones, etc., but I haven't. As I can only speak for myself. I've found some (I can't speak for most of them) to represent something very peculiar, a sort of pseudo-spirituality.. "having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power." (2 Tim 3:5)Truth be told, I have limited knowledge of the movement and haven't read any of their (i.e. Joyner, Jones') books nor listened much to their sermons, etc., and have honestly little interest to, so I could likely be wrong in my thoughts upon them. They seem to be a rather passionate bunch, with seemingly good intentions and a desire for God. Again, if you are blessed by them, that is fine and I don't discount that, but be extremely cautious concerning all proclaimed prophets (or someone who prophesies), for they can easily deceive you. I'd emphasize Deut 18:20-22:But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him. (ESV)God holds to high esteem the prophetic word, it should not be taken lightly. The Bible, especially in the major prophets, condemns false prophets very severely, and is very harsh with them. I am not going to say that people apart of the prophetic movement today are false, but the ones that have predicted such wild things that have not come to pass, and the ones that openly contradict their supposed prophetic ministry, I would consider false.There are many admonitions though in the New Testament in particular given concerning False Prophets, all verses from the ESV:For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. (Matt. 24:24)But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. (2 Peter 2:1-3)Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1)To clarify, I am not going to join Jimmy in his severity of condemnation to many of the people apart of the "prophetic movement", as I do not know all of them well enough nor have heard of them much at all to know if they've prophesied falsely or if their lives are in contradiction to their supposed prophetic ministry, etc. I am basically ill-informed concerning them as I am not well read in their writings, and until I get to reading many of them I cannot speak in any authoritative manner. I can only say to be cautious concerning them all, as they could be "ravenous wolves in sheep clothing," even "deceiving the elect."Jordan
