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PreachParsly
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Mere words don't reveal God. Articulating certain doctrines or principles will never do. No, the kingdom of God is not in word but in power! These are things we know, but they must be a reality in our lives.

Here are some great scriptures.

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


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 2007/7/20 12:25Profile









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I understand God's presence is not bound to a formula of Law and Grace. But God's presence will not fall on any ol kind of preaching. Sinners are not going to be convicted of sin and regenerated hearing a sermon on finding the champion in you! God has given us His law and gospel to preach and that is what how it is, plain and simple. Sinners get the fear of the Law and understanding who God is and by that they depart from sin. If you want sinners to understand sin and see that they must repent because they have sinned aganist a Holy God you preach the law. If you want them to them to find their inner champion you preach health, wealth and prosperity. God's presence will not fall but the all those champions will go to hell.

 2007/7/20 12:38









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I agree with preaching the law but also with hope which is in Jesus Christ. The law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Gal 3:24. All scripture is God breathed regardless of whether it came through Moses or Matt, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, or James.
If you take away the schoolmaster how can you get to the cross? How would one realize they needed a Lord and Savior unless they realize they were a sinner and needed his GRACE and MERCY. Why do you think there has been such a great effort to remove references to the Ten Commandments and other references to the law in America and other counties? People attempt to take away the schoolmaster because they don't want anyone to come to Christ and be saved. We know that when the word is preached and lived out in the hearts of the people, then other people will realize their sinfulness and call upon Jesus and they will be saved!!!!!

Rom 2:14-16
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
KJV

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Why do you think there has been such a great effort to remove references to the Ten Commandments and other references to the law in America and other counties? People attempt to take away the schoolmaster because they don't want anyone to come to Christ and be saved.



Praise God! I'm glad you aren't to spiritual to see the truth, black and white. Great point!

 2007/7/20 12:51
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Praise God! I'm glad you aren't to spiritual to see the truth, black and white. Great point!



You shouldn't accuse people of being "to spiritual" unless you are sure that is what they are trying to be. Are you sure that the ones who are trying to bring another point to you are acting "too spiritual?"


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Sinners are not going to be convicted of sin and regenerated hearing a sermon on finding the champion in you! God has given us His law and gospel to preach and that is what how it is, plain and simple



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If you want them to them to find their inner champion you preach health, wealth and prosperity. God's presence will not fall but the all those champions will go to hell.



No one on this thread is even alluding to preaching such nonsense. I'm not sure your getting what KJ and others are trying to get across.


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Josh Parsley

 2007/7/20 13:26Profile
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Here is a great quote:

"We are continually striving to create new methods, plans and organizations to advance the church. ... Men are God's method.

The Church is looking for better methods; God is looking for better men."

-E.M. Bounds


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 2007/7/20 13:31Profile
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You guys are acting like your above using the law...



Nobody here has done such a thing. We've all affirmed the necessity of invoking God's commandments. The only thing some of us are against is running away with simply preaching God's commandments and becoming mere preachers of morality, as often is the habit of some open-air preachers that frequent this site. And instead of invoking a certain methodology to preaching open-air e.g. step-1-2-3, some of us are simply pleading that our fellow brethren rely more on the leading of the Spirit of God to give a fitting word in due season.

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Jesus, Paul, the apostles, and great preachers in church history all used the law as a top priority.



This is an oversimplified statement that is commonly said, but lacks historical and Biblical reality. It is the common error many often make, by taking "a" truth and making it "the" truth. No doubt, the law was invoked. But if you truly study these matters much more closely, and truly read the authors that are often used to justify such sayings, you will find that programs such as WOTM have had a tendency to cherry-pick quotes from the likes of Luther, Calvin, Edwards, Wesley, Whitefield, Spurgeon, Moody, etc.-- instead of understanding their more holistic approach to preaching.



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But God's presence will not fall on any ol kind of preaching.



Indeed.

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Sinners are not going to be convicted of sin and regenerated hearing a sermon on finding the champion in you!



Amen.


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Great E.M. Bounds quote.


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