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thevoice
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 Is there any difference between "everlasting" "for ever" and "eternal"

The following scriptures confuses me in the use of the words "everlasting", "for ever" and "eternal". Any help will be much appreciated.

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal

I Kings 9:3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever ; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually. (but solomon's temple has been destroyed!)


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 Re: Is there any difference between "everlasting" "for ever" and

Here are two questions and answers that was posted on a forum once.. I will post them for you.. Hope they help..

Shalom.

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Question 7: William Branham taught that hell is not eternal. I am familiar with William Branham's teaching on this saying that no created things are eternal, only God is eternal and we have His Zoë life. Is heaven and hell eternal? Heaven was also created. Compare with Mark 3:29, Hebrews 6:2, Jude 1:7 and Revelations 20:10. What is the difference between eternal and everlasting (John 3:16, 2 Corinthians 5:1)?

Answer:
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:"

aionios - eternal, everlasting, the world began, since the world began, for ever, without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be, without beginning, without end, never to cease, everlasting [Greek Lexicon]

As you can see from the Greek Lexicon, eternal has several meanings.

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
It does not say they will burn eternally but they have eternal separation. From eternity, they were separated from God.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all
So how long did they burn? The attribute of eternal fire from God destroyed them they are not burning now.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

aion - ever , evermore, eternal, unto the ages of the ages, end of the age, period of time, age, a human lifetime [Greek Lexicon]

As you can see this also has several meanings

Jonah 2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

But Jonah Was Only In The Whale's Belly For Three Days!

In I Samuel 3:13-14, God told Samuel that He was going to judge the house of Eli forever, and that they would offer no more sacrifices "forever" as His priests. And in II Kings 2:27, Solomon thrust out the last descendants of Eli from the priesthood. That was four generations or so later. Now you can see that "everlasting" does not compare with what is "eternal"

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lcxor
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 Re: Is there any difference between "everlasting" "for ever" and

Here is the 2nd one..

Question 8: What is the difference between eternal and everlasting?

Answer:
Exodus 40:15 And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations.

Numbers 25:13 And he shall have it, and his seed after him, even the covenant of an everlasting priesthood; because he was zealous for his God, and made an atonement for the children of Israel.

Jeremiah 20:11 But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten.

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
"Look at the word, "destruction" over in II Thessalonians 1:9, "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction." In the Greek, "destruction" positively means annihilation. And the word, "destruction", does NOT mean destroying. Now "destroying" means something going on and on in decay. So what can everlasting annihilation mean? It doesn't mean to keep on annihilating, or that would make the word "destroying", instead of "destruction". It means to destroy to the ending point. End it [Smyrnaean Church Age – Church Age Book Cpt.4 134-1]


"You might wonder now, when you can use that word, "eternal", and not use it the way we have been taught. That is easy. When it applies to God it means to be without beginning or end, and ever enduring and never ceasing. And when you talk of eternal life you have that in mind which is the life of God. "This is the record, that God has given us eternal life, and that life is in the Son. He that hath the Son hath life." [Smyrnaean Church Age – Church Age Book Cpt.4 134-2]
"Now then, only sons of God have life eternal, the kind that never had a beginning, but always was. That is right. You have something in you right now that is eternal--without beginning or end. It is the Spirit of God. It is a part of God Himself. It is the life of God. to hell and then suffer the same as you are going to heaven and enjoy heaven, then he has the same kind of life you have already." [Smyrnaean Church Age – Church Age Book Cpt.4 134-3]


"Well, then there might be those who say eternal life signifies the welfare of the children of God. It is their welfare and enjoyment that is at stake. On the other hand the sinner goes to his punishment, so that we can reduce the second death to a matter of punishment and place. Eternal life means heaven, and eternal punishment means hell. You would be surprised at the men who have been exalted as theologians that believed that. But do you know what that does? It makes eternal life a matter of geography instead of a Person. Eternal life is God,--the Lord Jesus Christ. How anyone could believe such a thing, that eternal life is a matter of place, is more than I know. It makes me stagger to think of it." [Smyrnaean Church Age – Church Age Book Cpt.4 134-4]


"So you see, that word eternal, or everlasting, can be applied in various ways, but when it applies to God, He being what He is, it has one meaning. It is the duration of God. You can't apply it like that to any other thing. God alone is eternal, and because He lives, we live with Him." [Smyrnaean Church Age – Church Age Book Cpt.4 135-2]


FOREVER
Exodus 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.

Deuteronomy 15:17 Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.

Deuteronomy 23:3 Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:

I Kings 9:3 And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

But Solomon’s temple is now destroyed!

 2004/4/15 14:51Profile
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 Re: Is there any difference between "everlasting" "for ever" and

In the Matthew verse the same greek word is used twice, aionios (ahee-o'-nee-os), and in the KJV which you have quoted it is translated both 'everlasting' and 'eternal'. Therefore the translators must have considered the words synonymous and interchangable.

Thayer Definition of aionios :
1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

Strongs Definition of aionios :
perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well): - eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).


In Christ,

Ron





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