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rookie
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 How good is health care in your nation?

Film maker Michael Moore is coming out with a new film called "Sicko." I listen to a interview of him where he compares the quality of health care of the U.S. with other nations such as Canada and Cuba.

He stated that Cuba, being one of the poorest nations has a better standard of care than the U.S. Infant mortality is lower in Cuba than the U.S. The number of doctor per capita is greater...

He stated that the U.S. ranks 37 overall in quality of health care.

Any coments?

In Christ
jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2007/6/19 2:22Profile
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 Re: How good is health care in your nation?

hey bro Jeff

Greetings in Jesus' Name by whose Blood we are Reconciled to God. AMEN.

Well Zimbabwe is in a shambles in general and healthcare is no exception. There is quite a large number of cases of infectious diseases, HIV is rampant and killing thousands a week. There are shortages of things such as gloves, bandages of different kinds and even some basic medications which has caused problems. Doctors are not keen to see patients if they can't wear gloves etc. Strikes of healthcare workers occur often due to poor compensation and lack of tools to work with. Zimbabwe is last in the list of named countries and last in the majority of categories not only in Africa but even in the world. The first shall be last and the last first...

i work in healthcare here and it seems we are quick to medicate for whatever reason. Most things could be taken care of if we were better stewards of the bodies we have been given. We are very stressed out, we make more money but have much more debt, we work longer hours but are not necessarily as productive as other nations who work less hours like Australia. Granted they don't make as much but they don't have the problems with health as we do.

i don't know about you but we have health insurance and somehow i feel we're getting robbed...we pay premiums for services which we don't often need and then fork out copays for each service...when i was in Zimbabwe, we had insurance but because medicine is more socialized, it wasn't so costly to get healthcare. Now with the economy the way it is, people are being forced to come out of pocked with huge sums of money to just be seen with no guarantee of getting good care because tools are short.

Then here we have lawsuit after lawsuit which drives up healthcare costs, the veterans get screwed, i guess it is a mess. Perhaps the mess is more a function of how broke we are...a lady was on fox the other day saying that if we aren't careful illegal immigration will bankrupt us...where has she been...we've been bankrupt since after Reagan and this sham economy is about to crash to prove the point. Except we get into the Fold, we're done.

God help us.AMEN.


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Farai Bamu

 2007/6/19 10:25Profile
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rookie, i most surely do not want a political discussion here, but please don't tell me you consider Michael Moore a credible source of information. Every film he has done is filled with lies and misinformation. We are not talking about matters of opinion, but cold hard facts. The people he interviews for his movies and books are constantly coming out and saying that he misquoted them or simply made stuff up (like the Korean stem cell researcher who published all these great advancements...he just made the whole thing up!). Which makes you wonder...why do people keep doing them? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. ;-)

Anyhow, I don't know where he got his numbers from, but you can bet there is a political agenda attached to them. I don't know if he is pushing for universal government-sponsored health care or not, but that is a surefire way to wreck not only the economy but the very thing you are trying to fix. I can assure you the standard of care in the US is far superior to that in Canada and Cuba, and probably just about anywhere else in the world, especially in Socialist Europe.

Also keep in mind that many "health statistics" are very poorly maintained in third world countries. Many don't include infants until several weeks post-birth because the vast majority die in the first few weeks anyway. The number one cause of death worldwide according to statistics is malaria. That's a health care issue. The true number one cause of death? Infantile diarrhea. That is a nourishment issue. No country can fix that. It is only by prayer and the giving of the church of Jesus Christ.

Grace and Peace


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Denver McDaniel

 2007/6/19 11:14Profile
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 Re: How good is health care in your nation?

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Film maker Michael Moore is coming out with a new film called "Sicko."...

He stated that Cuba, being one of the poorest nations has a better standard of care than the U.S.

Any coments?



Extreme wing politics aside, this is an example of how indifferent to facts our partisan agenda driven society is becoming. The real problem here isn't 'who's number one', but how such self-serving ignorance only hurts the people actually living in socialist systems like Cuba's.

During the financial depression of 1930's the intelligensia of this country visited the USSR and came back with rapturous reports of utopia. Now it seems we are doing it again. Only this time there aren't really hard times yet. Pundits like Michael Moore make sensational entertainment out of complaining because it beats having to work for a living. Now that's the good life if you ask me. So I somehow doubt Michael Moore will be going to Cuba for his health care. ;-)

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/galleries/cubahealth/pages/page1.html]Washington Post on Cuban Health Care[/url]


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Mike Compton

 2007/6/19 11:21Profile
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 Re: How good is health care in your nation?

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Any coments?



I give thanks to God for the wisdom He has given men in the understanding of the human body.

I thank God that my wife could safely give birth to our children through the help of modern medicine.

I thank God that my kids have grown up in a place where the illnesses that took many lives just a century ago are now treated quickly and effectively by modern medicine.

I thank God that my brother in Christ who was dying from liver illness was able to have a liver transplant and also that God in His grace has made the body of the liver donor to grow part of a new liver to replace that which he gave up.

Are there mistakes and excesses in the medical system, absolutely. Am I blessed by the grace of God toward us through this system, absolutely!

In Christ,

Ron


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Ron Halverson

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Michael Moore is a filmmaker, not a journalist.

Our health care system sucks and I probably will never have it, but the answer IMO is not socialized health care. Moreover, the kind of "health care" we need is a greater awareness of health and nutrition, etc.

 2007/6/19 12:26Profile
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BRO BeyeDoers
greetings in Jesus' Name by whose Blood we are Justified.

i don't know that socialized healthcare will wreck the economy. i would say that it is late to the party, the economy has long been a sham, albeit a well-propagandized one to lead us to think all is well.

i think though whatever problems we have with healthcare are a symptom of something far much deeper which we're averse to acknowledging in a way which would rectify the situation...we're in need of repentance...We are in desperate need of turning away from our excesses and back to our Lord whom we have forsaken. Brethren all the issues we face from corruption in government, business, healthcare issues, a bankrupt economy, divorce, you name it stem from one thing, we don't consider God as we should, if we did, things would be very different. There is but one solution, repent, there are 2 options, repent or die. If we do not get to the root of the issue and try and tend to the symptoms, we will be chasing out tails and putting out fire after fire till we wear out. Mike Moore is probably off on some stuff, he is probably on point with other stuff as it is with the government. There are problems with credibility on both sides, men lie because we don't stop and consider that God wants us to always be truthful.In the Nordic countries it seems their healthcare is better than ours. i have lived in ZImbabwe most of my life and the stress levels there are much less than here so it was better there than here. America is a nice place to live but it sure is brutal in terms of the grind day to day...

at the end of the day, the bottom line for us is this and it remains this

REPENT, REPENT, REPENT, OR DIE!!!

we could talk till our Lord comes but if we don't do the above and get right, we're finished.

Grace and Peace be yours in Jesus' Name.


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Farai Bamu

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bro Mike C

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During the financial depression of 1930's the intelligensia of this country visited the USSR and came back with rapturous reports of utopia. Now it seems we are doing it again. Only this time there aren't really hard times yet. Pundits like Michael Moore make sensational entertainment out of complaining because it beats having to work for a living. Now that's the good life if you ask me.



there is a song in my head now...let's all sing along to the hook...

"Only in America!!! Where we dream in red, white and blue!"

:-P

Grace and Peace in Jesus' Name


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Farai Bamu

 2007/6/19 15:44Profile
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Sorry for mentioning Michael Moore, but the interview got me thinking...

In my own case, I have begun working in a hospital. The health insurance that my family has seems to be overwhelmed with paper work and chaos.

Just an example, my wife has been waiting for 3 months to get a to see a doctor for her first visit. We recently moved from Los Angeles so we are still getting settled into this new system.

I also know that there is a shortage of doctors in this country, especially family practitioners.



In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

 2007/6/19 16:36Profile
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Just another observation...

It seems we who live in the U.S. and have responded with passion to this thread. We are quick to defend what we know, but how do we compare with the other industrial nations who all have a different health care system than the U.S.?

Is pride blinding us to not consider reality?

In Christ
Jeff


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