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Hey Jim... come down off your high horse. Most folks here are not what I would consider to be pew-warmers. Many are pastors, street preachers, elders, teachers... people who desire more of God, a deeper walk... etc.

Most of us preach against our own sins just as fervently as we preach against homosexuality. It [b]all[/b] needs to be exposed and rebuked.

Krispy

 2007/6/14 16:23
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 Re: Hate Crimes Laws: Censoring the Church and Silencing Christians

While it irritates me that the homosexual and liberal community are trying to write into law, these such things, I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what it does to the Christian community at large. Are we going to hunker down? ARe we going to be silenced? Or, are we goingt o take this opportunity to stand up for our beliefs even if it costs us imprisonment, or our life? This will be good testing of our faith. Revive us, Lord. Bring America, and the rest of the world, back to you.

 2007/6/15 8:03Profile









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Ben... I agree. On one hand, I will fight this type of legislation, but if it does pass it will weed out those who call themselves Christians but have no spine. Things like this always strengthen the church.

I hate to see it happen, I hate the duplicity behind it (we cant call homosexuality sinful, but they can call Christians every name in the book), but the revival that would happen as a result of persecution is going to be something to behold.

Krispy

 2007/6/15 8:24
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Was reading that the words and phrases 'natural family, marriage and the union of a man and a woman' might soon become so called hate speech.



Hate to say this, but saying ANYTHING concerning what God says is sin, or what God Himself labels as a "natural" family(one man/one woman for life), within AND without the "church" is now being labelled hate, even by confessing Christians.

I believe when remarriage while one has a living spouse started becoming acceptable in the Church, the doors opened wide for ALL kinds of immorality to creep in. We are merely reaping what has been sown by our own compromise and tolerance of sin.

The Lord says that judgment begins at the house of the LOrd. Perhaps the "persecution" we are starting to see unfold is His judgment on us.......we are pointing at the UNSAVED's sins, being persecuted for it, but we are not dealing with our OWN sins and purging them from ourselves. I just heard a stat on my local Christian radio that stated---among regular church going men(men who attend church EVERY WEEK), almost 50% said that they are addicted to pornography!!! That is shocking to say the least!!! According to Jesus' teaching on sin(outward and inward), these men are all practicing adulterers...........Are some of them the ones pointing fingers at the UNSAVED homosexual??? Probably, and that is very much like the actions of the Pharisees in Jesus' day---they were pointing out sins to the "less religious", yet Jesus said they were guilty of the very same sins they were charging others with.

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So far, it hasn't really affected the Church as a whole, but in time, the tide will turn. It will mean fines, imprisonment, unemployment, loss of family and friends, and even death. But we should be ever ready to suffer for the gospel.



You are quite wrong that addressing immorality and suffering for it hasn't really affected the Church(those in the BODY of Christ) yet. There are some who are suffering "loss" because they are speaking out against sin WITHIN the confessing church. They are rejected by those who name the name of Christ. I find it quite ironic that confessed Christians come against UNSAVED people who are persecuting them for standing against immorality, but the same Christians will stand against the BRETHREN/SISTERS who come against immorality WITHIN the Church. Personally, I think that persecution is much more difficult to take than persecution by the World, who don't claim to know/serve God. Just my two........or three.


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 2007/6/15 11:40Profile
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and BTW, I am an uncompromising holiness preacher. Homosexuality is a damnable sin... infact all transgression is sin. I just think we have been brainwashed by our babylonian religous system to view other peoples sins as worse then ours. Even if they have a political agenda, they are no worse. Our kingdom is not of this world, biblical persecution has always gone hand in hand with a glorious advancement of the gospel.



Great post, Jim. :-)


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 2007/6/15 11:43Profile









 Re: Hate Crimes Laws: Censoring the Church and Silencing Christians

Stand up Stand up for Jesus ye soldiers of the cross
Lift high your royal banner you must not suffer long.

A house divided cannot stand.
If anyone has HIS SPIRIT living within them if they condone sin vocally, support it in any fashion or be in support of a group that condones it and if they do they are a house divided and it cannot stand.
We need to pray for those people because it appears from scripture they honor HIM with their lips but their hearts are far from HIM.

 2007/7/13 17:53
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Or, are we going to take this opportunity to stand up for our beliefs even if it costs us imprisonment, or our life? This will be good testing of our faith. Revive us, Lord. Bring America, and the rest of the world, back to you.



I used to think our national trend away from Christianity from would tend to rally and unite the Church but I'm not so sure now. I feel we are divided on how to respond to the liberalization of the country.

I think American Christians don't know to view their country; is it a nation under God or Babylon the fallen? Those who, inspired by a fear of coming judgement, try to stand up and speak out, will be thought of as zealots by some Christians. On the other hand, those who feel that America, like the rest of world system, should be allowed to go it's seperate way unimpeded, will be thought of as weak or compromised by others.

We Christians in America are wrestling with the paradyme shift towards socialism/totalitarianism in our country, and we are in disagreement as to how we should respond. I imagine some of us look back on earlier times in religous America with wistful sentiment, while others fantasize about a dark future where the lines between the Church and the world are refereshingly stark, if violent.

In any case, the present nebulous gray fog that we are in is disconcerting. It is like those scenes of civil war battlefields where the two opposing forces, shrouded in thick smoke, could not see clearly, but knew that they were mixed in with the enemy. (I am using a physical analogy in spiritual context.)

Presently there are many border disputes between the Church and the World. Christians are taking sides in these shifting struggles, and the result is strife within our own 'ranks.' Perhaps we might remember the current confusion, if ever we are rounded up and put into prisons...in the least we will at least be thankful for the restoration of defined borders...even if those borders are prison walls and barbed wire.

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A house divided cannot stand.



Amen. Yet there is a need for division some where. The question is where should the divide be established? I think this is what Jesus meant when he said "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" . Not that we are exhorted to cut each other, or subdue the world...but that Jesus would bring the Sword of the Spirit into our situation, which is much like those smokey civil war battlefields, and seperate the Church from the World. Sometimes the border falls between citizens of the same country. Sometimes the border falls between members of the same family. And sometimes the borderline falls right through the heart of a poor Christian.

Blessings,

MC


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Mike Compton

 2007/7/13 20:31Profile









 D. James Kennedy

If D. James Kennedy had been alive during the days of slavery, I'd bet he be standing up in a pulpit, Leviticus in hand, defending the "property rights" of slaveowners and bashing abolitionists.

I can hear him now.

 2007/7/14 2:38









 MC

that was a really good post.

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And sometimes the borderline falls right through the heart of a poor Christian.

 2007/7/14 2:41









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Hey Jim... come down off your high horse.



YOU, lecturing brothers about being perched on a "high horse"?

Now that is true irony.

and I can tell you this, Jim is preaching out in places where a white boy like you wouldn't even dare to go, so maybe you should be the one to dismount that steed Krispy.

(I'm laughing while I write this btw, so don't get THAT irate)

 2007/7/14 2:49





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