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RobertW
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 Re: I want to die

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I'm so disappointed in institutional church. I don't want to live. Dian.


Hi Dian,

Be encouraged!! We are all here! Are you going to allow the actions of a few people to get you down? There is a remnant church that is out there on the front lines for God. I would encourage you to download and read this pdf file of some current events with the church in [url=http://mp3.biblebase.com/details.php?file=438]Smyrna. [/url] It is one of the most sobering documents I have ever read. Since I read this- I've been having some pretty good days. Been very thankful for my life.

God Bless,

-Robert


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Robert Wurtz II

 2007/4/29 17:33Profile
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Are you going to allow the actions of a few people to get you down?



Amen. It is good that we diligently test all things but when the test results tempt us to dispair we also remember to hold fast that which is good.(Thessalonians 5:21). Having heard firsthand just some of your own remarkable testimony it is clear there are many awesome works of God to hold on to...even now they are still unfolding! Let them give thanks to the LORD for his unfailing love and his wonderful deeds for men. (Psalm 107)

Maybe there is some appropriate encouragement in this quote from J.C. Ryle.

Let us see that we each lay hold upon Jesus Christ for ourselves by our own personal faith. Let us see to it that we each flee for refuge and lay hold upon the hope set before us in His glorious Gospel. Let us do this, and all shall be well with us, whatever else may go ill. Let us do this, and then all things are ours. The Church may fail. The State may go to ruin. The foundations of all establishments may be shaken. The enemies of truth may for a season prevail; but as for us, all shall be well. We shall have in this world peace, and in the world which is to come life everlasting, for we shall have Christ.

And let's also patiently pray that in God's grace these brothers/leaders become convicted of the way their conduct affects the congegation they are watching over.

Blessings sister,

MC





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Mike Compton

 2007/4/29 19:58Profile
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 Re: I want to die

Dear Diane,

I am praying, how much that is worth I know not--but I am.

Upon providence I came upon this post, and by reason of studies I don't have leisure to spend days in editing it before I submit a reply (not as if that would make it the more profitable). Upon reading your experiences, my only thoughts are perservence.

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Today, my husband and I went to our church. Our youth pastor is engaged to a girl who lives 4 hours away. She was there today. I asked her where she stays when she comes to town and she said she stays with him. I was speechless.



Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

I am all but sure you have just cause to presuppose the unthinkable, but don't. I could go on a loong rant about the worldliness of a recent youth pastor I met, but let this not hinder our judgment. Talk to the man and woman, get it straight from their lips that they sin--and then answer the matter.

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My husband and I had just scheduled a meeting with our pastor to discuss the fact that he and his wife are the only ones handling the money and how we think that isn't right and we aren't comfortable with that,



I confess ignorance towards this situation, but I will say this: walk into this meeting praying and fasting, because money brings out the worst in Christians.

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When I told my husband, he just threw up his hands and said, "I'm done!" He doesn't want to deal with all this stuff. He's a new beleiver and he isn't up to all this confrontation.



I understand your husband (seeing he is but a babe in Christ) stumbling at this, but I trust your maturity will not falter. Really Diane, if you drive with me across inner city Cleveland you will see 4 churches to a corner. Because we don't expect the sinful natures in our fellow Christians to manifest themselves towards us, we get hurt, and in bitterness erect a new building--only to repeat the cycle.

Please don't give up or run away from this Diane, Christ’s glory is at stake. The outward world watches o,n and their is victory even over these things in Christ. I trust he shall guide thy paths.

Encourage thy husbands heart
;-)


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Sean Hobson

 2007/4/29 20:01Profile
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Thank you all for your words of encouragement and your prayers. Later in the afternoon, my husband called to me to come into where he was and told me he was sorry he had said he wanted to quit. He spoke with the pastor a bit later and clarified his position concerning financial accountability to our satisfaction.

As for the matter concerning the youth pastor, my husband asked me to hold my tongue, for now. He suggested that we pray on it for a while and then see where things stand. I am willing to do what he asks.

Seriously, thanks for praying and for caring. Love, Dian.

 2007/4/29 20:50Profile
jordanamo
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 Re: I want to die

What's wrong with her staying with him while she's in town? Their engaged, after all!

I mean, seriously, I don't see a problem at all. Their adults, not teenagers. If they choose to sin they will be held accountable to God and He may bring it out in the open for them to repent in one way or another if He chooses to.

I mean, is she supposed to stay at a motel?... : )

Them handling the money shouldn't bother you unless they've done something to bring reproach to their testimony-- otherwise...? God's in control-- they'll only steal it with God's oversight (i.e., him allowing it), and if they do steal it-- God may very well bring it out in the open, if not: God is still in control. Just be kind and gentle-hearted to them in all things and let God work through you to them!

Jordan

 2007/4/29 20:55Profile
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 Re: Perspective

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Be encouraged!! We are all here! Are you going to allow the actions of a few people to get you down? There is a remnant church that is out there on the front lines for God. I would encourage you to download and read this pdf file of some current events with the church in [url=http://mp3.biblebase.com/details.php?file=438]Smyrna. [/url] It is one of the most sobering documents I have ever read. Since I read this- I've been having some pretty good days. Been very thankful for my life.



Dear Robert,

It is difficult to form words, I just pray this gets widely read and prayed for ...

Note: Click on the arrow to the right next to "Downloads"


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Mike Balog

 2007/4/29 21:26Profile
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That's great to hear Dian.

Jordan,

I appreciate the grace you have here bro, still the questions Dian and her husband asked were valid ones.

It was ill-advised for the young lady to bed over at her fiancee's house. He is in leadership afterall.

A few weeks ago I ran into a man who about 15 years ago had confronted me over the very same issue. One night, very tired from work I decided that there would be no harm in just couch-camping over at my future wife's apartment. (She also had a roommate so we weren't alone.) The next morning this older brother saw me as I was walking to my car and confronted me gently but with a clear eye. Years later, when I ran into him I fondly reminded him of his diligence towards me. He tried to shrugged it off but I told him I was thankful for his protecting the honor of my wife and because he was the only one at our church who ever cared enough to say something to me. I told him it was much better then kisses from a decietful flattering person. Dian's pastor will feel the same way...her concern should be his concern.

Regarding the money management, it seems that the matter is resolved. For the record, any time a single man has unilateral autocratic control over public or community assets, corruption is sure to follow without exception. Knowing this, no sensible man would want to be placed in such a dubious position. A sensible man would desire transparency. ...taking precaution so that no one will discredit us in our administration of this generous gift. 2 Cor. 8:20

It seems that Dian's pastor is a sensible man afterall.

Blessings,

MC


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Mike Compton

 2007/4/29 21:31Profile
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What's wrong with her staying with him while she's in town? Their engaged, after all!

I mean, seriously, I don't see a problem at all. Their adults, not teenagers. If they choose to sin they will be held accountable to God and He may bring it out in the open for them to repent in one way or another if He chooses to.

I mean, is she supposed to stay at a motel?... : )


you are right they are adults, not teens. This is a youth pastor, he is a example to the youth.
Although he is not a teen, if one of teens saw them they might think this is ok thing for them to do.

You are also right they are held accountable to God if they sin. But the question is do we think we can play around with temptation? Who to stay they will be strong to say no? Do we get as close to sinning, or do we try keep as far away from it? It might be a little prideful for someone to stay they are stronger then other people. It just a safe thing to do.

But the biggest thing I see is what it looks like. Even if they never did anything. People will think different. It looks wrong. and it dishonors God.

I mean, is she supposed to stay at a motel?...

well I would say yes, Christ name must be honored. she doesn’t have to stay motel, what about friend or family at the Church?

in his love
charlene


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charlene

 2007/4/29 22:15Profile
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What's wrong with her staying with him while she's in town? Their engaged, after all!



Just because they are adults doesn't mean that they aren't tempted. I think a very important thing to consider is that the bible says to FLEE FROM TEMPTATION. Obviously, 2 people who are engaged are probably going to be tempted on some sort of level, ESPECIALLY IF they are are sleeping in the same house on a frequent basis. God is not going to give us the strength to disobey Him! He tells us flee from temptation, not try to be strong enough to resist it.

Overall, I think it is just WISE to avoid this situation. It's not really a matter of whether or not she'd have to get a hotel, the important thing is what does God think about it? Nothing else matters.


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Laura

 2007/4/30 0:49Profile









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Peacecraft wrote:
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What's wrong with her staying with him while she's in town? Their engaged, after all!



Just because they are adults doesn't mean that they aren't tempted. I think a very important thing to consider is that the bible says to FLEE FROM TEMPTATION. Obviously, 2 people who are engaged are probably going to be tempted on some sort of level, ESPECIALLY IF they are are sleeping in the same house on a frequent basis. God is not going to give us the strength to disobey Him! He tells us flee from temptation, not try to be strong enough to resist it.

Overall, I think it is just WISE to avoid this situation. It's not really a matter of whether or not she'd have to get a hotel, the important thing is what does God think about it? Nothing else matters.



Hi peacekeep, I think you may be refering to 2 Timothy 2:22 - 'Flee from youthful lusts.' ?

Interesting to note the contrast of that verse from 1 Corinthians 10:13, which says that God provides a way out so that you can 'stand up' under temptation. But we are told to flee from youthful lusts.

 2007/4/30 4:13





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