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HomeFree89
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 Do all Speak in Tongues?

I've been studying this topic of speaking in tongues since the last thread on it and here are some verses I've found.

"Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will."

"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way."

Clearly Paul is saying that not all speak in tongues.

Also,if you look in Acts there are several places were people receive the Spirit, but they didn't speak in tongues.

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 2007/3/30 17:23Profile
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 Re: Do all Speak in Tongues?

I forgot to mention that those verses were from 1 Cor. 12.


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1cor 14:4The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

Why does he say in verse 5 her wants them all to speak in tongues to build themselves up? Is this a different distinction from the utterance to edify the family that is being talked about in chapter 12?

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1Co 14:1 ¶ Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 ¶ Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 ¶ What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 ¶ In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 ¶ How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.


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 Re: Do all Speak in Tongues?

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Also,if you look in Acts there are several places were people receive the Spirit, but they didn't speak in tongues.



Hey Brother, just wondering, what instances are you talking about? I completely agree with everything you're saying, but i was just wondering if you were thinking of any specific places where this happened.

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Hi Vico,

Here's one place:

Ac 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

There were a couple more places, but I can't find them right now, so maybe I'll go back through Acts and see if I can find them. :-D

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Hi brethren,

Allow me to broaden this a bit, and interject a challenge. If you are going to use Acts 8 as a proof for what you are asserting, you need to consider the response of Simon the sorceror in verse 18 of the same chapter as well. When he "saw" that through the laying on of hands that the Holy Ghost was "given", he immediately offered money to the apostles, saying, in effect, "I also want this [i]power[/i] that on whomsoever I lay my hands the same kind of thing can happen." Those are my words, but go read the chapter and verse and you'll plainly see what he was after. Obviously, there was some kind of outer, dynamic demonstration of receiving the Holy Ghost that so bedazzled this "sorceror" - who was accustomed to "bewtiching" the people through his craft (see verse 9) - that he was impressed enough to offer the apostles money! I wonder what he saw (or heard) that spurred this impulse? Something to think about, in any case...

Another instance where a person recieved the Holy Spirit without a mentioning of tongues is found in the following chapter - Paul's own filling through the laying on of hands by Ananias. It's true that Luke doesn't mention Paul speaking in tongues...but Paul later wrote 1 Corintians 14:18, thanking God that he spoke in tongues more than the Corinthians. I believe he was referring here to his private devotional tongues (his prayer language) rather than the gift of tongues, for in verse 19 he says that he would rather speak five words with understanding than 1,000 words in a tongue. So, when did Paul begin to speak in tongues (his prayer language)? Could it be that he began when Ananias layed his hands upon him and he was filled? I think it makes reasonable sense, if we are following a curious pattern.

Also, it is worth mentioning that it was not always necessary for Luke to specify the details for each and every case in his historical account. We know this because he doesn't mention [i]water baptism[/i] each and every time he tells about people being added to the church.

In any case, I just wanted to give you a little bit more to chew on, a different perspective from me, a Pentecostal believer, who, though I can challenge and hold my own in this "tongue" issue, I have in the past few years come to believe that speaking in tongues is not the "only" sign of Spirit Baptism, nor is it an exclusive indicator.

Brother Paul


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Hi Brother Paul,

Thanks for the food for thought.

My whole point with this thread is to show that tongues isn't the only way of knowing you're filled with the Spirit. I do believe that sometimes it can be, but to say that it always has to be just isn't biblical.

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My whole point with this thread is to show that tongues isn't the only way of knowing you're filled with the Spirit. I do believe that sometimes it can be, but to say that it always has to be just isn't biblical



I couldn't agree with you more! :-)

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No disagreement with you homefree.

However, I would like to point out, that regardless of the fact that not all speak in tongues, there are only two evidences of being filled with the Holy Spirit found in the scriptures.

One is tongues, the other is prophecy.

The Bible is to be the standard by which we both determine how we do things, and how we judge the results of what we do.

On the issue of speaking in tongues, the disciples knew that the gentiles were saved because they spoke in tongues just as the Apostles had.

That was their belief for knowing who had received the Spirit. Now, my case here is that that should be the standard, not the exception. Anyone who has any experience with tongues, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit knows, that sometimes things don't happen exactly the way it did with Peter and the gentiles.

But we are to maintain their belief as our standard, and make all other things submit to that, or be judged carefully by someone who has the wisdom necessary to do so.

Also, the only other evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is prophecy, so if the person does not speak in tongues, and does not prophecy, there is reason to doubt whether they are filled with the Holy Spirit.

Again, this is a standard, and all things are to be judged by it, there are exceptions, but the exceptions do not become the rule. I have seen cases where someone was prayed for one day with no evidences, and God encountered them three days later while they were alone, but then the evidence came, either one or both.

I have never seen a case where someone who was filled with the Spirit did not either speak in tongues, or prophecy.

Hope this adds to the discussion.


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