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 luk 17:37

Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.


anyone have some wisdom and knowledge to share? about this verse in context whit the text


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 Re: luk 17:37

For "eagle" read "vulture".

For the rest, will have to think, especially on the context. An image of vultures squabbling over a carcase, but what "carcass" did Jesus mean?

Jerusalem? The main context is the destruction of the City (AD 70?) Although the whole passage is about the Last Days in general. It could even refer to the increasing swarms of "false Christs and false prophets" that come in the Last Days.

Maybe the "vultures" are the deceptions and doctrines of demons who prey on those who are not securely rooted in Christ?

Vultures are attracted to dead flesh. They don't attack the living, unless possibly if a person or animal is at the point of death and unable to defend themselves.

So what "vultures" attack our "flesh"?

Jesus said "the prince of this world comes and has nothing in me". In other words there was no "dead flesh" in Him that was vulnerable to attack.

This is more of a meditation than an explanation, but it may be helpful

Jeannette

 2007/3/1 18:02
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thank you, I'm still thinking about this, interesting input sister


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 2007/3/2 13:19Profile
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 Re: luk 17:37

Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

This is what the Strong's concordance says=


for


Wheresoever =
1) if, in case
1) if, whether
1) where, whereas



the carcase =
1) a fall, downfall

a) metaph. a failure, defeat, calamity

b) an error, lapse into sin

2) that which has fallen

a) the fallen body of one dead or slain, a corpse, a carcase
1) to descend from a higher place to a lower

a) to fall (either from or upon)

1) to be thrust down

b) metaph. to fall under judgment, came under condemnation

2) to descend from an erect to a prostrate position

a) to fall down

1) to be prostrated, fall prostrate


2) of those overcome by terror or astonishment or grief or under the attack of an evil spirit or of falling dead suddenly

3) the dismemberment of a corpse by decay

4) to prostrate one's self

5) used of suppliants and persons rendering homage or worship to one

6) to fall out, fall from i.e. shall perish or be lost

7) to fall down, fall into ruin: of buildings, walls etc.

b) to be cast down from a state of prosperity

1) to fall from a state of uprightness

2) to perish, i.e come to an end, disappear, cease

a) of virtues

3) to lose authority, no longer have force

a) of sayings, precepts, etc.

4) to be removed from power by death

5) to fail of participating in, miss a share in




is =
1) be, may be, etc.



there =
1) there, in or to that place




will =
1) to gather together, to gather

a) to draw together, collect

1) of fishes

2) of a net in which they are caught

2) to bring together, assemble, collect

a) to join together, join in one (those previously separated)

b) to gather together by convoking

c) to be gathered i.e. come together, gather, meet

3) to lead with one's self

a) into one's home, i.e. to receive hospitably, to entertain

1) with
1) to lead, take with one

a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal

b) to lead by accompanying to (into) a place

c) to lead with one's self, attach to one's self as an attendant

d) to conduct, bring

e) to lead away, to a court of justice, magistrate, etc.

2) to lead,

a) to lead, guide, direct

b) to lead through, conduct to: to something

c) to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind

3) to pass a day, keep or celebrate a feast, etc.

4) to go, depart




the eagles =
1) an eagle: since eagles do not usually go in quest of carrion, this may to a vulture that resembles an eagle

2) an eagle as a standard (Roman Military)
1) the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air

2) the atmospheric region
from aemi (to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogy, to blow)





ge gathered together =
1) to gather together, to gather

a) to draw together, collect

1) of fishes

2) of a net in which they are caught

2) to bring together, assemble, collect

a) to join together, join in one (those previously separated)

b) to gather together by convoking

c) to be gathered i.e. come together, gather, meet

3) to lead with one's self

a) into one's home, i.e. to receive hospitably, to entertain
1) with
beside 1, accompany
1) to lead, take with one

a) to lead by laying hold of, and this way to bring to the point of destination: of an animal

b) to lead by accompanying to (into) a place

c) to lead with one's self, attach to one's self as an attendant

d) to conduct, bring

e) to lead away, to a court of justice, magistrate, etc.

2) to lead,

a) to lead, guide, direct

b) to lead through, conduct to: to something

c) to move, impel: of forces and influences on the mind

3) to pass a day, keep or celebrate a feast, etc.

4) to go, depart




[color=0000CC]I am wondering if anyone is reading this the same as I am? What are your thought?[/color]



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 Re: luk 17:37

Here are Gill's note on a parallel passage in Matthew 24
Mat 24:28 - [b]For wheresoever the carcass is,....[/b] Not Christ, as he is held forth in the Gospel, crucified and slain, through whose death is the savour of life, and by whom salvation is, and to whom sensible sinners flock, encouraged by the ministry of the word; and much less Christ considered as risen, exalted, and coming in great glory to judgment, to whom the word "carcass" will by no means agree, and but very poorly under the former consideration: but the people of the Jews are designed by it, in their fallen, deplorable, miserable, and lifeless state, who were like to the body of a man, or any other creature, struck dead with lightning from heaven; being destroyed by the breath of the mouth, and brightness of the coming of the son of man, like lightning, just as antichrist will be at the last day:

[b]there will the eagles be gathered together:[/b] not particular believers here, or all the saints at the day of judgment; though these may be, as they are, compared to eagles for many things; as their swiftness in flying to Christ, their sagacity and the sharpness of their spiritual sight, soaring on high, and renewing their spiritual strength and youth: but here the Roman armies are intended, whose ensigns were eagles; and the eagle still is, to this day, the ensign of the Roman empire: formerly other creatures, with the eagle, were used for ensigns; but C. Marius, in his second consulship, banished them, and appropriated the eagle only to the legions: nor was it a single eagle that was carried before the army, but every legion had an eagle went before it, made of gold or silver, and carried upon the top of a spear (z): and the sense of this passage is this, that wherever the Jews were, whether at Jerusalem, where the body and carcass of them was, in a most forlorn and desperate condition; or in any other parts of the country, the Roman eagles, or legions, would find them out, and make an utter destruction of them. The Persic version, contrary to others, and to all copies, renders it "vultures". Though this creature is of the same nature with the eagle, with respect to feeding on carcasses: hence the proverb,

"cujus vulturis hoe erit cadaver?''

"what vulture shall have this carcass?" It has a very sharp sight, and quick smell, and will, by both, discern carcasses at almost incredible distance: it will diligently watch a man that is near death; and will follow armies going to battle, as historians relate (a): and it is the eagle which is of the vulture kind, as Aristotle (b) observes, that takes up dead bodies, and carries them to its nest. And Pliny (c) says, it is that sort of eagles only which does so; and some have affirmed that eagles will by no means touch dead carcasses: but this is contrary not only to this passage of Scripture, but to others; particularly to Job_39:30 "her young ones also suck up blood, and where the slain are, there is she": an expression much the same with this in the text, and to which it seems to refer; see also Pro_30:17. Though Chrysostom (d) says, both the passage in Job, and this in Matthew, are to be understood of vultures; he doubtless means the eagles that are of the vulture kind, the Gypaeetos, or vulture eagle. There is one kind of eagles, naturalists say (e), will not feed on flesh, which is called the bird of Jupiter; but, in common, the eagle is represented as a very rapacious creature, seizing, and feeding upon the flesh of hares, fawns, geese, &c. and the rather this creature is designed here; since, of all birds, this is the only one that is not hurt with lightning (f), and so can immediately seize carcasses killed thereby; to which there seems to be an allusion here, by comparing it with the preceding verse: however, the Persic version, though it is literally a proper one, yet from the several things observed, it is not to be overlooked and slighted.

(z) Plin. Nat. Hist. l. 10. c. 4. Alex. ab Alex. Genial. Dier. l. 4. c. 2. (a) Aelian. de Animal. Natura, l. 2. c. 46. (b) De Hist. Animal. l. 9. c. 32. (c) Hist. Nat l. 10. c. 3. (d) In Matt. Homil. 49. (e) Aelian. de Animal. l. 9. c. 10. (f) Plin. Nat. Hist. l. 2. c. 55.


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