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Joined: 2007/2/2
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Unique wrote:

Frankly, if you come only to criticize, why are you here? If otherwise, join in on other subjects, hopefully in a less critical spirit.

Thank you for your loving advice. I asked for each one to look to ourselves. You have
And have found yourself righteous, great that is all I asked.

Proverbs 9:8
Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Proverbs 29:23
A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit.

You could not have read my last post or maybe you have proved what I was trying
to say. If you are going to post, then do it in humility.

Galatians 5:15
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Re: pride
Vice #7: Pride
by Melodie Davis

** ** ** ** ** **
"Committing pride can be the ruination of my self and my soul as surely
as committing murder. "
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I have saved this vice, pride, for last in this look at vices. Why?
Because it is the hardest one for me. I truly think this is my biggest
temptation. But I am not proud to admit it. I am embarrassed. I am
afraid that people will think less of me.

There it is: proof that I am too proud.

One time I was with some friends who were confessing their
shortcomings for chocolate or cigarettes or handsome men and someone said, so
what is your vice, Melodie? Pride.

Too often we suffer from pride when our children mess up, beyond
the anguish we feel about a misdeed or mistake they?ve made. A note gets
sent home about what my daughter has done on the bus that day. I am
mortified. The behavior is bad enough, but what will the principal think
of us now? That we?re terrible parents?

We are often proud of the achievements of our children not for the
joy it brings us or them, but because it makes us look good. This is a
vice as bad as lust or greed or any of the rest.

The really insidious thing is that we are also pros at making
excuses for our own vices, so that even as I admit that I am proud when my
children make me ?look good,? I?m thinking, well, that vice certainly
isn?t as bad as lust, for heaven?s sake.

Oh yes it is. I am in denial. But my mother?s line comes back to
taunt me, and this is one of those lines that you think probably isn?t
actually found in the Bible, but there it is, Proverbs 16:18: ?Pride goes
before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.? What does that
mean exactly? Pride brings about a fall.

Whew. Enron executives. Worldcom accountants. Complicit auditors
for big companies. Senators. Even presidents, one who resigns and one who
doesn?t have the dignity to resign. Newspaper columnist Melodie Davis.
All people full of pride.

And this isn?t just a vice found in the dusty pages of the Old
Testament. No, there it is again, in plain language in Mark 7:20-22: ?What
comes out of you is what defiles you: out of the heart comes: evil
thoughts, fornication, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness,
deceit, licentiousness, envy, slander, pride, foolishness.?

Right down there with murder and adultery.

And so, when I think that I am better than someone else, because
I?m not so poor (or rich), or my kids don?t have pierced noses (keep your
fingers crossed), or I go to worship services every week, or fill in
the blank, committing pride can be the ruination of my self and my soul
as surely as committing murder.

Pride happens because we are human, and there is probably a fine
line between self-esteem and pride. Pride is also a close cousin to
jealousy. And envy. We are often proud because down deep we are also
envious/jealous. Many otherwise well adjusted and successful people suffer
from professional jealousy.

I do hope that this admission that I suffer from excess pride is
received in the spirit that it is given and intended: I?m as dirty
rotten as the next gal, but with the good Lord?s help, I am trying to keep
it in check. And I hope that this confession helps others look honestly
at their own weaknesses.
If I have offended any one, please forgive me, it was not intended to do

If we would all be honest with ourselves, we would admit that we have been involved in
In pride, which leads to:

1 Tim. 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

2 Tim. 2:16
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Jesus said it so simply:
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


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