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Netmaster
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 Denominations.

I heard this statement and I'm not sure how true it is, i admit I'm gonna have to research it my self. I can't remember it to clear but I'll put what I can remember. It was about the harlot and her children mentioned in revelation. It was said that the harlot is the catholic church, and since all the churches came from the catholic church, baptist, and all of them, those are the harlots children. And when the bible said to come out of them it meant that we are to be non-denominational...something just like that...I need some help on how true this is.


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Neel Edwards

 2004/3/9 9:24Profile
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 Re: Denominations.

This seems to me to be a rather ugly and un-Christian argument. It pretends to be based upon Revelations 17, but is only one person's interpretation of a difficult text. I think it has nothing to do with the love that Christ himself preached. The central truth of the Bible, both old and new testament is, as Jesus points out in Matthew 22:37-40, "You shall love the Lord you God with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your mind....[and] You shall love your neighbor as yourself." I would recommend concentrating on that and not listening to people who would use scripture to demonize groups of people and entire denominations.

 2004/3/9 11:43Profile
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 Re: But

yeah I agree, but the problem is, I need to know if there's anyway by SCRIPTURE to prove that it was not that it meant. I need the proper interpretation, cause these people tend to corrupt every angle of the Bible.


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Neel Edwards

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 Re: Ok

Looks like I'm gonna have to come up with this one my self then...


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Neel Edwards

 2004/3/15 23:39Profile
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Netmaster,

The Bible would not have taught directly on what to do with [i]denominations[/i] because they did not appear until much later in church history. However, scripture did teach clearly on keeping the oneness of all believers in the Spirit (Ephesians 4).

I believe keeping this spiritual oneness takes precedence over manufacturing an outward form of oneness. We must first deal with our "denominationalism" at heart before we could deal with the outward form of "denomination." More often than not, so-called "non-denominational" churches end up becoming a denomination themselves.

Sam


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Sam

 2004/3/16 10:34Profile
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 Re:

I will say this very tenderly...

But God's church truly knows no denominations. He won't have a "baptist" corner and a "pentecostal" corner, etc. However, all that are in his church will be bought with his blood, possessed of his spirit, and sanctified by his word.

I will note that most all denominations do stem from the Catholic church. In my personal opinion, the Catholic church is indeed full of evil and wickedness, and I do see scriptural evidence that they are the "great whore" of Revelation.

Now, here's the part that some people will find issue with. I am a firm believer in the oneness of God, and that God is in no wise "triune". You can dispute me in this, but you will not convince me because I feel that I have the Word and the Spirit behind me on this. If the doctrine of the trinity was so important to the church, why isn't it in the Bible? Why doesn't the Bible come right out and clearly say that God is three? It says that "there are three" but it also says right then that "these three are one". It plainly says that "God is one", and you can easily see how the name of the father, son and holy ghost is Jesus, and it states that Jesus is the image of the invisible God, and Jesus is the flesh of God.

In short, I don't see the doctrine of the trinity anywhere in the bible, and in fact, the first place I see it at all is around the time the catholic church pops it's head up, around 300AD. That is also, you will note, the same time that the church get "watered down" with a ton of pagan beliefs, mary worship, etc... the holy ghost is not nessecary, and all kinds of other false doctrines creep in, much of them thanks to Emperor Constintine and his acceptance of christianity as "the popular thing to do".

Hence, many many many denominations, virtually all of them, shoot off from the catholic church... carried with them the doctrine of the trinity, with hardly any biblical proof (for such a necessary doctrine). Lutherans peeled off from the catholic church, and soon other denominations followed, with the reformation and all. But they could be considered "the children" of the dragon, simply because they are not reading the bible as it is, but carrying with it the false doctrine of the catholic church.

Therefore, my personal conclusion is that, denominations are not evil, it all depends on what you teach. You can be non-denominational and reach false doctrine (as I believe the doctrine of the trinity is), and you can be a member of a denomination and preach the truth.

I personally attend a denominational church, but it does not not teach trinitarian beliefs at all, therefore I don't see it as one of the children of the dragon, but any denominations that still do teach the traditions they have been handed down, all the way from the catholic church, may still be considered the children of the dragon.

That's my take. Hope I didn't offend anyone, but I cannot back up from what I so firmy believe. I'm not here to argue, either... that's been done enough in other forums, and quoting non-biblical texts and "what the early church fathers say" just doesn't convince me. :-P


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