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[b] [color=000066]I think the Lord's answer to those who abuse their position by such emotional blackmail is in Ezekiel 34 Of course, it was spoken to Israel but is also relevant to the Church[/color]

[i] 1 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say to them, even to the shepherds, Thus says the Lord GOD: Ho, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding yourselves! Should not shepherds feed the sheep? 3 You eat the fat, you clothe yourselves with the wool, you slaughter the fatlings; but you do not feed the sheep. 4 The weak you have not strengthened, the sick you have not healed, the crippled you have not bound up, the strayed you have not brought back, the lost you have not sought, and with force and harshness you have ruled them. 5 So they were scattered, because there was no shepherd; and they became food for all the wild beasts. 6 My sheep were scattered, they wandered over all the mountains and on every high hill; my sheep were scattered over all the face of the earth, with none to search or seek for them.
7 “Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: 8 As I live, says the Lord GOD, because my sheep have become a prey, and my sheep have become food for all the wild beasts, since there was no shepherd; and because my shepherds have not searched for my sheep, but the shepherds have fed themselves, and have not fed my sheep; 9 therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the Lord: 10 Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my sheep at their hand, and put a stop to their feeding the sheep; no longer shall the shepherds feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouths, that they may not be food for them.
11 “For thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I, I myself will search for my sheep, and will seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeks out his flock when some of his sheep have been scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness. 13 And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the fountains, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14 I will feed them with good pasture, and upon the mountain heights of Israel shall be their pasture; there they shall lie down in good grazing land, and on fat pasture they shall feed on the mountains of Israel. 15 I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I will make them lie down, says the Lord GOD. 16 I will seek the lost, and I will bring back the strayed, and I will bind up the crippled, and I will strengthen the weak, and the fat and the strong I will watch over; I will feed them in justice.
17 “As for you, my flock, thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I judge between sheep and sheep, rams and he-goats. 18 Is it not enough for you to feed on the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the rest of your pasture; and to drink of clear water, that you must foul the rest with your feet? 19 And must my sheep eat what you have trodden with your feet, and drink what you have fouled with your feet?
20 “Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD to them: Behold, I, I myself will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. 21 Because you push with side and shoulder, and thrust at all the weak with your horns, till you have scattered them abroad, 22 I will save my flock, they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23 And I will set up over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he shall feed them: he shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the Lord, will be their God, and my servant David shall be prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.[/i] [color=000066]

Jeannette[/b][/color]

 2007/2/16 16:52
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I am getting to the point that if this keeps up I am about ready just to Grab my Bible and shut out all ministers period and Home Church myself and my family

Sounds like a good plan!!
In regards to tithing, DON'T!! If you can't give cheerfully, than don't. If you give being stingey, God will be stingey to you.



Well, I know that was not directed at me, because I can give you Ministers and Friends and Family, phone numbers that will tell you that Bill is probably one of the most biggest and cheerful givers you could possibly ever meet.

My original post had nothing to do me personally, just how today's Pastors have built their Churches and their private homes out of money, and now have resorted to blaming the congregations and Christians for not tithing and if this is the case God can bring down that ministry as fast as he built it, so you better be building your Church on "The Solid Rock" of Jesus Christ and not self.


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Bill

 2007/2/16 17:11Profile
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So don't be quick to judge a ministry based upon that minister begging for support. He may have the ability to preach the word, save souls, do the work of the ministry, but his faith in paying the bills is low. Because he knows his message is not popular and also he knows that certain people don't like him.




I have never personally encountered a Church like that in my 55 years, everyone that I have personally witnessed like that are doing just fine.


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Bill

 2007/2/16 17:15Profile
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Hi everyone.

MC,




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...charged with maximizing 42 acres...I thought who is going to pay for all that construction!?



In Revolution in World Missions, K.P Yohannan relates how a friend of his here in the States once pointed out to him a Church building that cost...are you ready....

$74 million.

Right.

That's 74,000,000 dollars.


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Christopher Joel Dandrow

 2007/2/16 18:44Profile
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In Revolution in World Missions, K.P Yohannan relates how a friend of his here in the States once pointed out to him a Church building that cost...are you ready....

$74 million.

Right.

That's 74,000,000 dollars.



Must be more than 2% of Christians tithing or giving on a regular basis at that Church. :-)


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Bill

 2007/2/16 18:51Profile
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I'm sorry Chris JD, that I edited my post right when you must've been grabbing a quote out of it...lately I've been trying to be sensitive how I discuss these contradictory times we live in. Occasionaly I need to pull some weeds;-) from my attitude.

Blessings,

MC


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