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Joined: 2006/7/17
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 Re: End Justifying Means, and salvation

Yeah, I don't think I've ever actually heard the phrase "the means justifying the end" -- only the other way around.

Regarding salvation. . . the first thing that comes to my mind is the increasingly common method of "getting people saved" by having them perform some [i]action[/i]. Such as, "Just pray this prayer. If you really mean it with all your heart, you'll be saved." Or, "Walk to the front during the invitation if you want to be saved." In this case, the end DEFINITELY doesn't justify the means, because these methods are not authorized by God's Word. Salvation comes from Him, not from some act that we do.

But many Christians are very well-meaning in telling these things to lost people. They want to see them saved. Unfortunately this has led to tons of people in the world who [i]think[/i] they're saved because they remember a specific act they did, and somebody with authority told them they were saved as a result.

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Jennifer Richardson

 2007/2/14 22:15Profile

Joined: 2006/2/26
Posts: 193


Thank you all. I have abetter understanding now.

 2007/2/19 4:35Profile

Joined: 2004/3/31
Posts: 901
Melbourne, Australia



tjservant wrote:
Christ was the means (sacrifice) for the ends (our salvation).

He provided the ends by being the means.

I don't know if you realise that this is only half of the gospel. The other half is:

Salvation is the means (redemption) for the end of sanctification (ie, Christ in you, the hope of glory).

To quote Norman Grubb, "It isn't 'Christ and...', it's 'Christ only!!'." He is the means for our restoration, in order that we can be the "reward of His suffering".

"For of him, and through him, and to him, [i]are[/i] all things: to whom [i]be[/i] glory for ever. Amen." [b]Rom 11:36[/b]

Aaron Ireland

 2007/2/19 7:54Profile

Joined: 2006/8/25
Posts: 1658
Indiana USA


Thank you for posting this. I wasn’t trying to present the Gospel, just give the original poster an example, but I guess I should have given the rest of it.

Thank you.



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