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Yeshuasboy
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Here's an article titled, [url=http://www.av1611.org/crock/crockex1.html]Christian Rock Exposed[/url]

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 2007/1/26 5:09Profile









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In my opinion, the problem with much of christian music is that it is not always meant to please the Lord. Instead, it is often an artist composing/writing a song meant to either please the human listeners, or a song that pleases the artist himself/herself. I believe that skill is certainly required in spiritual songwriting, but it should take a backseat to passion, adoration and praise (and possibly, a message). There seems to be quite a few songs (from contemporary to worship) that are void of heartfelt emotion and have very little to really say.



I agree completely with this statement. But the thing is... it's not just Christian Rock. In Southern Gospel I think it's even worse, yet the style of music is hardly ever critisized.

Here in Asheville there are several top Souther Gospel groups who are based here. Also over in TN around the Knoxville area. Many are sincere folks who want to encourage the Body. But some of the big names in Southern Gospel live wretched lives... drinking, adultry, fornication... and then get up and sing Southern Gospel.

Hank Williams wrote "I Saw The Light"... yet, he was in total darkness. Kris Kristofferson wrote "Why Me Lord?" which is a very powerful song... yet he is an utter heathen.

I have more respect for the Oak Ridge Boys, who left Southern Gospel to do secular country yet lived fairly clean lifestyles, then I do for some Southern Gospel groups who have lived double lives for decades. (By the way, to be fair to the Oaks, they have always claimed to be born again Christians, and have recently returned to doing mostly gospel music)

But in this discussion of music, it's always Christian Rock that gets blasted (and justifiably so in many cases), but hardly a mention about other forms of Christian Music.

Whenever you plug in the "human factor" there will be something wrong. It's our fallen state.

Krispy

 2007/1/26 8:14









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That website has never sat well with my soul. It makes me feel uneasy.

 2007/1/26 8:55









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You mean av1611.org? Yea... I dont like that website either, and I'm a KJV guy. There's a lot of spouting off about things that I really dont think they know what they're talking about. A lot of generalities and blanket judgments on issues and people.

I think they dont do the KJV supporters any favors... which is unfortunate because amongst all the junk on that site is some really good information. But Terry Watkins can be so offensive most people cant get past it.

Krispy

 2007/1/26 11:56
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Question: Is there anyone here who started listening to "Christian rock" after being saved who wasn't formerly "in to" the devil's/world's rock before being saved?

I'm just curious b/c I know I was a Metallica/Nirvana/ACDC/Ozzy Osbourne junky before getting saved, and only after several years of maturation in the Lord did I turn from rock altogether (although I still do listen to some of Third Day's [i]Offerings[/i] albums). Just wondering if anyone had the opposite experience.

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Denver McDaniel

 2007/1/26 12:40Profile
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I like songs that deal with Jesus being the Rock. :-? Is that off topic?

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Josh Parsley

 2007/1/26 12:57Profile
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Think about this.

What is important about worship music in a local church is being relevant. Relevant to God first, as well as the world around you. What does being relevant mean? Look at Jesus Christ for one. He left his glory and came to earth in an earthly flesh and lived an earthly life like us to instruct us on how we must live. HE was RELAVANT. He could've just stayed up in heaven and shouted down at us to repent, but instead he came down to instruct us Himself. That's one example of being relevant.

Another example of being relevant is the Bible translations. Look at all the Bible translations that we have today. Many people over the last 2000 years translated the written text of Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek into every language imaginable. Why? So that it would be relevant to us. Otherwise how would all be able to read the Word of God? These are a few examples.

Now come back to worship music. What does it mean to have relevant worship music?

Or I can ask, what does it mean to have relevant Evangelism? Relevant to the year 2007 in which we live in. Not 1927 when our great grandparents lived and worshiped with hymns. God never changes, BUT, the WAYS in which His ministry is conducted and expressed changes from time to time. For example, you cannot conduct evangelism like it was conducted 100 years ago. Because, 100 years ago, teenagers weren’t watching pornography, doing heroine, getting into car crashes, going to clubs, gambling in casinos, etc. The time in which we live in has changed. It is a polar opposite to that in which the elders of the church lived in. You cannot evangelize the world in the same way that you would 100 years ago and elders need to understand this and simply get over it. This is an example on evangelism.

Now back to worship music.
Think about this one.

I will come back in a few days to continue my statement.

 2007/1/26 13:04Profile
PaulWest
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I'm just curious b/c I know I was a Metallica/Nirvana/ACDC/Ozzy Osbourne junky before getting saved



This is a very good point you bring up, Denver. Normally, the most prominent vices a person indulged in prior to conversion are the ones that are held in check as long as possible. As long as a person can still cling and it not be counted [i]sin[/i] per say, our nature will still indulge. Obviously, massive issues like fornication and drugs are immediately dealt with by God when a person gets genuinely born again of the Spirit. But the seemingly lesser issues usually tag along until a greater level of maturity manifests in the Christian's walk.

For many people, ungodly music is usually the last to go. I feel the reason for this is the accomodating factor of worldly influences dressed in Christian garb. We see this the most in music. For some reason - and I'll probably [i]never[/i] understand why - we'll give up cussing, drinking, smoking, immorality, but taking away our worldly music styles? No, we'll make practical justifications (i.e. "My friend got saved at a Pillar concert!"), or we'll "Christianize" the music by introducing biblical vernacular to the lyrics. Perhaps it's because only music can evoke such powerful soulish impressions and give us a feeling of euphoria like no other medium on earth. So addictive, so indispensible to us is this soul-appeal, that we will merge Holy Scripture with the backdrop of a drumbeat style that had its genesis in the taverns of the devil's territory and somehow feel liberated and justified and [i]spiritual[/i] in our offering it up to God.

I really think we're trying to see how far we can go without crossing the line - a line which is distorted and pushed back as far as the lusts in our members seem to allow without it become full-blown sin to a seared conscience.

Brother Paul


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Paul Frederick West

 2007/1/26 13:23Profile
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Hi Krispy...

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KrispyKrittr wrote:
You mean av1611.org? Yea... I dont like that website either, and I'm a KJV guy. There's a lot of spouting off about things that I really dont think they know what they're talking about. A lot of generalities and blanket judgments on issues and people.

I agree. The website states many thinks as [u]fact[/u] what is merely [u]opinion[/u], [u]speculation[/u], or simply [u]mistruths[/u].

As their web address indicates, the website is fiercely KJV-only. However, it makes familiar bold claims. For instance, they claim that it is "the biggest lie" that anyone believes that the some version of the Bible are easier to read than the KJV. Even as an educated person, I can personally testify with great honesty that I find some versions easier to read than the KJV. And it is either dishonesty or simple error to state that verses have been "removed" from the KJV while creating the NIV. The NIV, those that have studied the issue realize, was translated out of another set of sources (which the translators, right or wrong, considered superior).

This is how that particular website seems to operate. It seems like they see an animal with webbed feet, a bill, and feathers and call it a "duck" -- when in fact it is a "goose" or "swan." I truly feel that the Lord desires for us to move past rash surface judgments and go to the root of a matter through the wisdom imparted in I Thessalonians 5:21 ("prove everything").

For instance, the website includes links to a few articles concerning how "soy is making kids gay." Of course, the website is not necessarily endorsing the articles -- but it includes them as a matter of point. Even beneath the articles, there are several messages that chide christian rock music for immitating the world. A little lower, the website includes an article that mimics and paradies the 1897 article "[i]Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus[/i]" (entitled "[i]Yes Virginia There is a Hell[/i]").

This is flawed thinking that leads to flawed judgment. A couple hundred years ago, men believed that a full moon brought out the worse in human beings. Why? Because crime happened with greater frequency on nights of a full moon. So the "surface thinkers" decided that the full moon must have power to make some men mad. No one stopped to question whether or not the rise in crime on nights of a full moon was because many more people could venture outside during full moons. Instead, they relied on a flawed theory of "full moon madness."

I believe that God wants us to be above this sort of flawed thinking. The world paints believers as "ignorant and unlearned men." They treat believers as if they are gullible people that were not strong enough mentally to question the existence of God. Should we revel in such supposed ignorance? Or should we strive to have an answer to the questions asked by the world? Too often, it seems that believers venture to [u]speculate[/u] in areas of which they are unlearned or ignorant. Remember, [u]ignorance[/u] is a different matter than [u]intelligence[/u]. You can be completely ignorant of an issue, but still make an intelligent decision about the same issue. Yet some believers have no answers -- but "fake it" by making judgments on issues in which they are unfamiliar. It sometimes will add "fuel to the fire" of secular bigotry toward believers. We are not of this world. We should not pretend to be. We may be ignorant -- but we should still ask God for wisdom and discernment.

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 2007/1/26 13:35Profile









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And it is either dishonesty or simple error to state that verses have been "removed" from the KJV while creating the NIV. The NIV, those that have studied the issue realize, was translated out of another set of sources (which the translators, right or wrong, considered superior).



Yep... I hate it when people say "the translators of the NIV removed this verse..." As soon as I hear that from an "expert" I know not to ever refer to them when I'm discussing the subject. If they cant even get that right, how can I trust anything else they have to say?

It's like someone who calls the last book of the Bible "Revelation[b]S[/b]"... thats a pet peeve of mine. (I'm speaking about people who claim to have been Christians for awhile... not new believers who dont know any better)

The NIV is different because it is a very accurate translation of a totally different source of scripture than the KJV.

But lets not digress into a version chat... lets stay focussed on music.

Krispy

 2007/1/26 13:44





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