Excuse me, but can we begin afresh to learn what Grace and faith are. When I say learn, I mean establish in our thinking; cement it. Too much is posited here with wrong understanding based on wrong teaching concerning God's Grace and our faith. An example:"I am increasingly growing sick and tired of the Body of Christ masking complacency with a false notion of "grace and love". Grace is God's supernatural enabling that makes it possible to be saved,.............And agape love requires absolute honesty, and therefore is conditional."That thinking is totally false, that is unless it can be supported by a non-twisting of scripture. My hope is that in the end of such a study at least some will come away with a better understanding of the scriptures because they will have a better understanding of God's Grace and our part; our faith.I'll begin with some of my findings based on scripture:God's Grace is a gift to all mankind especially made alive in Jesus Christ...."A better thing preserved for us". Our faith is the enablement to believe in something by a creative act of God from the beginning, since before Adam. Unless man is reprobate he has the ability to have faith. All men believe in something/someone, history bares this out. God's Grace is received through believing the testimony of Jesus Christ, thus re-directing our faith towards Him. "If I be lifted up I will draw all men...". However, if a false Christ is offered and the Grace of God is neglected how shall the one who is neglectful escape the snare, after his salvation, why even the elect are capable of being snared.---- Any argument, so far? ---- Hence, God's Grace is the gift not to be rejected by the unrepentent and certainly not to be neglected after his receiving it. It will produce the needed rectification and sanctification that our souls be purified to become the purposed son's of God....purposed before the foundation of the world.Orm
Orm,How do you define grace? Is it divine enablement? Is it mercy? Or what is it?ginnyrose
I see it as the presence of God in the Earth....Made manifest in the flesh of Jesus, now manfested in the saints....if indeed they are saints. This opens up all kinds of thinking and expectation.More later.. off to classes.Orm
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I see it as the presence of God in the Earth....Made manifest in the flesh of Jesus, now manfested in the saints....if indeed they are saints. This opens up all kinds of thinking and expectation.
That thinking is totally false, that is unless it can be supported by a non-twisting of scripture.
Praise Jesus!! Lion of Judah!! Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, Tit 2:12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, Blessings Hisservant rich Matthew 4:17
crsschk wrote:Quote:That thinking is totally false, that is unless it can be supported by a non-twisting of scripture. How so? If that is to be your example Orm, wouldn't it be helpful to state [i]why[/i] you think it to be false? Before this get's off the ground and get's boged down out of the gate.
I asked this to be s study, not an argument. There should be no "bogging down", but a challenge to anyone to search the scriptures and make better distinctions.
Brother Ormly wrote:
Grace is a gift of God to man that reveals Himself.