| Dealing with an unclean spirit|
I have a friend on my residence hall who has been an enigma for me in many ways. He is a believer and member of my small group--a very gentle guy most of the time, and quiet, but often has fits of uncontrollable, awkward behavior. He may come into my room at 3 in the morning when I am asleep, turn the lights on, laugh in my face, and leave. Often times, he would just run into my room, my door being closed, and start jumping on my bed, laughing, carrying a blank expression on his face. When I try to talk to him, he would laugh it off, ans stare wildly at me. Other times, being a rather strong guy, he would grab me by the hand and drag me to his room, or even tackle me to the ground. A minute later, he would usually apologize or ask me to forgive him and give him a hug, and then will leave my room as quietly and suddenly as he has come in.
I have tried to talk to him about the issue many times. It seems he either cannot or doesn't want to talk about it--usually he does not even respond at all. I've never felt so awkward with anybody--just because I cannot read him; he seems so contemplative, deep. When he is in public, he usually is very composed, even tactful. It is only when it is just him and me, or even some other friend of his, that he starts acting this way. Or when hs is by himself you may occasionally hear him laugh out loudly through his room door or out in the hallway.
It has been hard for me because I have been harsh on him many times, usually rebuking him for his antics, but afterward I have felt remorseful, having so much compassion on him--for he is indeed very lonely. It's been difficult for me to speak the truth in love, to decide when to rebuke and when to tolerate him.
Today, after one of those plunges into my room (he lives across the hall from me), I tried to talk with him most seriously, prayerfully. I questioned his motive. He whispered he didn't have any idea why he did what he did, as if he had blacked out. He said he had to leave.
I have been praying for him, asking the Lord for guidance in this situation. I have never cast out a demon... if this is what I am really facing. Have any of you faced a similar situation? Please pray that I may not get in the Lord's way in this situation. Thanks.
| 2006/11/11 20:54|
| Re: Dealing with an unclean spirit|
Speak the name of Jesus to him, sing His praises. Get a reaction. If a demon, your friend's disposition will intensify in which case you will need the Lords power. Why? "And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?" Acts 19:15 (KJV)
The Lord will surely be [is] trying to tell you something in all this. Look to Him.
| 2006/11/12 8:48|
"Pilgrim and Sojourner." - 1 Peter 2:11
| 2006/11/12 12:08||Profile|
| Re: Dealing with an unclean spirit|
Of all the thousands of people that come to this site, is there no one that has successfully cast out devils to offer advice on what to do?
| 2006/11/19 11:35|
brother you need to really do a search before you make a statement like that. We've discussed this topic before. Similar situations where believers see what could be called a "person controled by an evil spirit".
So here's your answer, you have to simply command that demon to depart while standing confidently "in" Christ positionally". This needs to be done by an exercise of faith, I would suggest much prayer and fasting, because its apparent by your request that you haven't come to the knowledge or revelation of who you are in Christ yet, and possibly how truely powerful His name is (ie-how powerful Jesus is). I don't mean that as an insult or slam either, I simply am going by observation in your request.
Mar 16:17 And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons;Mar 16:20 And going out, they proclaimed everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the Word by miraculous signs following. Amen.
Eliphaze talks about spirits in the book of Job, might be good to learn some wisdom here. Its not difficult to cast an unclean spirit out, what's hard is to get the individual filled back up with the Word of God afterwards or his latter end will be seven times worse: Matt 12/LK 11.
Deal with your pride before--during--and after such and encounter and rejoice that "your" name is in the lambs book of life>>>there's a key here that you need to understand in ways the enemy will seek to attack you afterwards, so you MUST exercise the principles laid down by Christ to the letter and that by faith.
I could write a book on this subject, not just from the head and heart but from experience also. Basically just pray and praise the Lord waiting on Him in worship and learn to hear His leading inwardly and through the written Word. Now as to your friend, I don't have the time to seek the Lord for you for him so you'll need to press into Jesus for yourself, I'll leave you with this: Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
All of the above is written trusting that the reader has been born from above by the Spirit of God and is walking in a daily relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. God Bless---Amen, Bro. Daryl
| 2006/11/19 14:05||Profile|
| Re: Dealing with an unclean spirit|
with some experience and teaching i respond to you notme by advising seeking a Pastor or minister who is very seasoned. If they are not full of wisdom and the holy spirit AKA a well doctrined and highly anointed believer, If they are not baptized in the holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues i would count them out. It takes a gift of discerning of evil spirits and much faith and anointing to deal with a person possessed by devils. I will take a discerning guess and say you are either young in the lord or are not familiar with the Power of God. (Acts 1:8)
No believer can be possessed by demons. The body is a temple the Holy Spirit will not share. And you can't be set free and in bondage at the same time. He may say he has faith, but he is not saved. James says "even the devils believe."
When you cast out demons, they can fight, scream, vomit, levitate, slither like a snake, speak in a non holy spirit led language(the devil is an angel too don't forget) They can talk to you and lie to you. They are very deceptive and tricky. they physically attack and can even try to strangle or bite the person who is being delivered of them. Children, unbelievers, and baby christians have no place around this deliverance. The process can take hours and is spiritually and physically exhausting. a demoniac will usually never have only one spirit (at least from my experience) because one sinful spirit opens the door to more sinful spirits. For example. A Spirit of Homosexuality can possess a person who surrenders their body to these acts of sin. Well perhaps they are married to a wife when they commit these acts. Here comes the lying. With such surrender to the sin and the fact that the body is already habitated by another spirit, entrance into the body is easier and power over the body increases. Pretty soon the Tormenting spirit comes into the body and torments the persons mind. A spirit of Fear finds an easy target with such torment. You get where this is going. Pretty soon the person finds they can't control their body and may or may not even notice it. You may see no blatant sin in this persons life because being tormented and afraid is not a sin. There are many other kinds of spirits as well. Possession can take place on a child and can stay for an entire lifetime. Don't try to cast these demons out yourself is my highest recommendation. You will get in a spiritual battle you aren't prepared for and you don't understand. You will hurt yourself and your friend in the process. You need to find somebody who does understand and HAS DEALT WITH IT BEFORE. Most importantly notme, if your friend doesn't want to be delivered of the devils, it won't work.
Also, the advice of praying for the person and worship will work to test the person and the amount of demonic activity. A person with demons can't stand the presence of the holy spirit. Find the most fiery prayer and worship group you can and encourage your friend to come. If they shrink back, refuse prayer, or get tense, its a good sign they are possessed. Also when you pray for a demoniac, if you are a highly anointed individual, they will ball their fists, tense up, or even shake violently. These are called manifestations. Demons hate the Holy spirit.
I hope i have given you some understanding
I will not leave you totally afraid. If you are saved, you are under the blood and have all authority over this person. if your friend is harmful command him to stop in the name of Jesus and he must stop. Jesus said, "I beheld satan fall as lightning to the earth, behold, i give unto you power to tread over serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you." These are the scriptures you must learn and believe if you want to exercise your authority. A life of Faith in the word, prayer, worship and fasting as well as surrender will increase the presence of god in your life and your understanding of your rights and abilities as a believer.
Don't be afraid, he can't hurt you, your under the blood. (if you truly are saved)
| 2006/11/19 20:20||Profile|
I agreed with most things you said, but not this, brother:
"If they are not baptized in the holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues i would count them out."
First off, many Spirit-filled men never spoke in tongues; Wesley, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Sunday, Edwards, Campbell, Ravenhill, etc, etc. But aside from this, I don't believe that being Spirit-baptized is a must to do spiritual warfare.
From personal experience, and I speak from experiencing a baptism of the Spirit, I spoke once to the demons in a man after being saved for about 5 months, and about 2 1/2 years before receiving the promise of the Father. Now I was desperately seeking the Lord, but never had experienced the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and frankly didn't know what it was.
I was in New Orleans walking down the street and my wife wanted to stop in one of those shops that have a bunch of questionable stuff. So I waited near the opening. This man came in, who just made me think, 'if I have ever seen someone with demons, this guy is it.' He spoke things about there being snipers on the roof across the street, had very twisted perverse language, and was spitting out blasphemies and cursing at the store owner, who was telling him to leave. His face was very pale.
So under my breath, no louder than a whisper, I just did what I had read in the Scripture, I commanded that all unclean spirits in or around him come out and be silenced in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. The man immediately shut up. He did not say another word. The store owner began pushing him out of the store, and the guy didn't fight back at all. He then turned and walked straight past me and walked out of the store and down the sidewalk.
So I am just simply stating the fact that to go into spiritual battle, you just need to be walking with the Lord. One who has turned over all the sinful habits they can think of, who reads and devours the Word, who loves and desires the Lord Jesus, who prays for daily bread from the heavenly Father, is qualified.
Now if you are saved, but Satan has a foothold in your life, ie: pornography, getting drunk, no prayer or Bible study, ungodly interest in the occult, etc, I would not recommend standing up on someone else's behalf. First remove the log from your own eye.
But remember, the disciples had not known Jesus long, and seemed to be somewhat surprised along with their joy when they said, "And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name."
It does sound spiritual, but if your friend is young and fresh out of a cooped up house, he may just be tipping the bottle and then goofing around with you. I used to act pretty wierd when I was drinking. Yes, demonically influenced, but not possessed.
If you are, or once you are walking with the Lord, get into the Word, pray and fast, and just try placing your hand on him during one of your devotions. Just say that you want to pray for him, and pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to cleanse him or something of the like. If it is demonic possession, I would say that they will probably react, and you will know it is bondage.
| 2006/11/19 22:54||Profile|
i do know that the authority of a believer is enough to cast out demons. I do express that "the anointing breaketh the yoke of bondage" And a spirit baptized individual is more likely to have the faith and experience needed.
Also, the man you spoke to .. i agree that the demons obeyed you by shutting up. But when a demon leaves a man he doesn't do it kindly. The man doesn't just walk away quietly. I say you dealt well with the situation well. But i don't think the man was delivered.
I also question as to whether you believe you can be baptized in the Holy Ghost without speaking in tongues. I don't believe you can. I believe tongues is the outward evidence as shown multiple time throughout the book of acts. as well as life today.
| 2006/11/20 3:08||Profile|
I'm sorry to have to point this out, and it will probably change the direction of the thread, but speaking in tounges is not an essential to casting out unclean spirits.
I believe it was Leonard Ravenhill who said even mormons speak in tounges. Help!
Scripture tells us that, in church, tounges should not be used, unless an interpreter is present.
Besides, where in scripture does it say that Jesus or the disciples spoke in tounges in order to cast out a spirit?
Don't let personal experience override scripture.
If anyone's experience is outside of scripture, question it.
We can pray and be in the word of God, Bible study, fasting, praise and worship, and be ready for those times when an evil spirit needs to be sent packing, to put it mildly.
Whatever we do, do all to the glory of God
| 2006/11/20 6:36||Profile|
i must say i expressly stated that i recommended a person baptized in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues because of the growth and discernment it brings. Not because it is a requirement. I stated that in my last post. please reread it.
Also mormons don't speak in the tongues the holy spirit gives. The don't have the spirit or salvation.
Also the tongues that isn't meant to be spoken without an interpreter is the gift of tongues, not the personal prayer language that the spirit of god brings us with the baptism in the holy ghost.
"covet to prophesy, forbid not to speak with tongues."
And how would the gift of giving a message in tongues and the interpretation be any use to the church if it was not done in the church. Therefore it would be pointless.
Not to speak in personal prayer tongues would be a missed opportunity of great magnitude. As well as the fact that if you don't have personal prayer tongues, you haven't been baptized in the H.G. Saved yes, but not anointed for ministry. That is why Jesus told the disciples not to go until they had received the promise of the father acts 1. The same should be for us. We should seek this power to aid in our ministry. At least if we ever want to walk in the fullness.
| 2006/11/20 20:47||Profile|