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 Re: "Light-- if at all" Swearwords, profanity, and obscenity through langua


Dear brother,

You are very close to shooting yourself in the foot. If you are departing from 'Christianity' for God Himself, do not imagine you are heading for a less stringent squelch gate.

In your favour, you may not have thought through, thoroughly, the implications of your complaint, and in His favour, there is His infinite mercy..... BUT, as He IS 'THE WORD', it is inescapable that He cares deeply about what comes out of the mouth of those who claim to represent His interests on earth. Besides, Jesus said:

Luke 6:45
"A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. [b]For[/b] out of [u]the abundance[/u] of the heart his mouth speaks.


Believe me, many times I've been grateful for this truth, not because of feeling convicted by what was coming out of my mouth [i](Although that too!)[/i], but because sometimes the mind is by-passed, and the greater integrity of the heart-in-tune-with-God, can be manifested by how one prays.

One of the functions of your mind should be to intelligently (of which you have plenty) and conscientiously, editing what comes out of your mouth, precisely because it [i][b]gives away[/i][/b] the state of your heart.....

And the more you do this, the more your heart is either shown up as in need of a clean-up, or, conditioned by the exercise, to bring forth pronouncements which edify their hearers.

It's a challenge, but one which you are eminently able to meet.

 2006/11/5 14:54
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Jordan, I apologize for not reading carefully through to the end of your post where your REAL concern is expressed – and quite well at that. You said:

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God doesn't really care I believe about those girls saying "omg!"-- …. I believe we really cross the line into religion and out of spirit.


I agree. And sometimes we too have to overlook the surface stuff, even if it makes us uncomfortable.

Let me tell you a story about a little boy named Jesepi.
Jesepi lived in an Italian village with his poverty-stricken mother. By and by they noticed that each day at noon a banquet table was being prepared in the village square. It was covered with a vast assortment of delicious foods – meet, gravy, potatoes, pies, etc. Then some finely-dressed townsfolk came and seated themselves at the table, and ate.

One day Mother told Jesepi to go and ask them for some food, being that they were so very poor.

Jesepi went as he was instructed, and when he asked for some food, they said, “Go away, you are not dressed properly!”

So Mother decided to sew Jesepi a fine-looking suit. The next day, he went to the banquet, this time handsomely dressed. They welcomed him with open arms. “Come, young man,’ they said. “Here is a chair for you. Eat whatever you wish!”

Jesepi filled his plate. Then he proceeded to spread his food all over his suit. He put his potatoes in the pockets, smeared gravy all down his sleeves, and poured juice all over his pants. And then he went home.

His mother was horrified. “Oh, Jesepi, Jesepi, what have you done?” she cried. Jesepi said, “Mother, they only welcomed me because of my suit, so I fed the suit.”


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whose religion does far worse things in thought and deed.



This is a sad truth.

When God said, “Do not take the name of the Lord your God in vain” he was not talking about cussing, I believe. He was warning people against viewing themselves as HIS children while not living in a faithful relationship with him. That’s like a woman who takes a man’s name, calling herself Mrs. ___ while she has no authentic relationship with the man. Instead, she works hard to make it look like she is his wife - with all the right talk and behavior. But it is all in vain.

Spirit-filled Christian aren’t interested in a fine-looking flawless banquet. They are concerned about the “shabby” people who desperately need some of the Bread and Water. They nurture the person, not the “suit”.

You are right, Jordan, one’s speech habits don’t necessarily make a good thermometer for the heart’s condition.

Of course, teaching and expecting good manners is not necessarily hypocritical. It should be about respecting one another, not about looking polished on the outside.


Diane


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 2006/11/5 16:00Profile
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roadsign,

Dear sister, I must disagree with you to a degree. I agree that 'not cussing' cannot be the only measure of one's walk with the Lord, but it is a big one. This is from experience in the ministry, and from observation of my brothers and sisters in Christ.

It is not always, but most always true, that most who curse have a more liberal view of Scripture. Not only this but they tend to have issues with larger sins: lust, theft, anger, etc. As well, they often time have a harder time understanding the Scriptures and a harder time disciplining themselves to pray and study daily.

Simply I mean that one that tends not to bring every thought captive and let curses come out of their mouth, tends to have other normal human tendencies get out of control. In other words, a little cussing here and there, usually goes hand-in-hand with a little pornography, or a little 'buzz' here and there. However the Bible calls these fornication and drunkenness.

I think of how the Bible uses the words "blessing and cursing" as opposites. Jesus said that if one cannot be trusted with little, how could they be trusted with true riches. I think the same of one that cannot control their tongue, cannot be trusted with the annointing of God in their message. Isaiah had his lips purged before God would even call him.

This is my opinion as a relatively new Christian (4 yrs), but in all honesty, I think I will say the same thing after 20 more.

Maybe I am just too much of a fundamentalist or something, but I say, 'let him that cusses, cuss no more.'


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 2006/11/6 0:06Profile
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the absence of profanity offends no-one!

 2006/11/6 15:15Profile









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First off... "freedom of speech" does not apply to a private forum. It is a priviledge to post here, not a right. And as the owner, Sermonindex has a legal right to allow and prevent any type of speech he wants.

Secondly... when you registered to this forum you agreed to certain rules. Now you want to disobey them? Where is God in that type of attitude?

Thirdly... [b]Eph 4:29[/b] [i]Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.[/i]

I dont about y'all... but kinda shuts the door on the whole thing.

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This is another reason that I tire of Christianity



If you're willing to throw away your relationship with God over something like this, then I wonder if you should maybe consider that you dont really have a relationship with Him to begin with. I think you need to look inside to see if thats true.

And if you do... then all I have to say is I feel sorry for your spouse if you can throw away a committment that easily.

Krispy

 2006/11/6 15:32
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Dear sister, I must disagree with you to a degree


LetsGetBusy, I appreciate your point. I agree that clean, gentle speech is a mark of one who is well-submitted to Christ, while rough speech indicates a need for further refinement of the heart. I like your point:
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… one that tends not to bring every thought captive and let curses come out of their mouth, tends to have other normal human tendencies get out of control.




Yet it so happens that clean speech can be merely socially learned behavior rather than a product of spiritual humility. We naturally respond more positively towards those who have good speech etiquette while wincing at the rugged ones. And yet the one with rough language may be closer to the kingdom than one who has all his “p’s and “q’s” in the right place. It is simply a fact of life: The worst sinners may not necessarily get the biggest chastisements from society or church, or SI. They may simply be better at playing the social rules.

Life never has been “fair”. And, Jordan, probably everyone on this forum has been frustrated with hypocrisy in the church, and hurt by it. That's why we're here. We're concerned. But we move on. We turn our anger into a love for God's people and a burdened for revival.

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"freedom of speech"

I’m afraid that our society has forgotten that responsibility precedes freedom. Many want freedom without the responsibility. It certainly is not wrong to demand responsibilty - anywhere, never mind SI.

I emphasise:
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… teaching and expecting good manners is not necessarily hypocritical. It should be about respecting one another, not [merely] about looking polished on the outside.



Hope that is clarifying.

Diane


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 2006/11/6 17:43Profile
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I was giving the Gospel to a guy a few months ago and he was a bit 'rough' in the speech department. Anyway, he got saved and phoned me up that night and I noticed he still used some off colour words, I never corrected him or quoted any scriptures about his language. I have noticed over the months that he has stopped swearing (while he's talking to me at least, maybe everywhere) and he's trying his best to give up the cigarettes. To me he has had a true conversion and the fruits are beginning to show.

Some people, when they are saved, never use another cussword, stop smoking and drinking overnight, but I didn't and most of the Christians I know have some things that still need dealing with.

If they are not saved, then we cannot complain about their language, if they are, then we should always point them in the direction of Jesus, He and He alone will deal with them, otherwise it's done in the flesh and will not last.

Just my two cents

Ste


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 2006/11/6 18:09Profile
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 Re: "Light-- if at all" Swearwords, profanity, and obscenity through langua

Jordan,

I, for one, really appreciate the editing the moderators do to keep this forum edifying for people who have to deal with carnality, who strive to live victoriuosly over sin AND temptation, who work to honor and glorify God. Since they are the owners of it, they have the right to set the rules and enforce them. We are their guests, like another poster said.

I used to go participate in another forum, and sir, there was no moderating, people were nasty. Christians were held up to ridicule; some Christians would bait their critics and you would have some full-blown fights...and the moderators just let it go....Sir, this site is so kind, generous in comparison.

About the use of certain words: sir, if your vocabulary is so limited you have to frequently resort to barnyard language for adjectives perhaps you should take a good dictionary and see if you cannot improve it with a greater variety in which you can express yourself. Sir, you are never too old to learn. I am 59 years old and am still learning....new words.

Blessings,
ginnyrose


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Jordan's account was deleted due to this thread:

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Pies.
One thing I notice about this Lounge is that the topics are always 'religious' or 'political'-oriented. So I thought I'd turn the tables and discuss, well, let's start with Pies?

I am just getting into making pies myself. Pumpkin pie is the only thing I've made so far (I'm taking it slow).

Could you all (whoever out they may be a fellow pie-person!) maybe share your own pie-recipes, for crust, for the filling (what good fruits or what-have-you are good for it?)... and then the other basic instructions of what baking temp. you prefer & time, etc.

Pie is a simple thing to make but is very enjoyable and nutritious!

Jordan



I am not into playing games about revival and God. These are serious times and this forum is for serious minded individuals with that same aim. If you want to play then you can play somewhere else. I am sorry if that seems straight.

I cannot but be reminded of Paul Washer's statement of this generations tombstone saying: ENTERTAINED TO DEATH.

It is time to get serious minded about revival and the things of God.


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Preach it!


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