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 "Light-- if at all" Swearwords, profanity, and obscenity through language.

I would like to start a topic of this and keep the thread "Ted Haggard?" on its current topic. Greg, I fear your going to somehow delete this, edit this, or whatever just because you can and I've seen you really use your 'power' as an Admin to do such things. Please don't. Or actually, do what you want, but I would like to discuss this as I find it important.

The censorship on this board is quite appalling to me. To me, because I am quite anti-censorship. No I'm not talking about clearly vulgar things that have no place here, such as porn, extremely (I call it) vulgarity (which is known by most people as quite vulgar), etc. I am talking about things that should be quite accepted such as discussing the topic of sex (Jimmy's thread on this was deleted, seriously-- I was sorta shocked.), using words that are not even nearly profane to a degree that would merit censorship (i.e., C**p, S***w, etc.), and then deleting posts just because they are dissenting or not going with the flow. I understand they (super-minor swearwords) may have other connotations/definitions that can be considered vulgar, but in actual normal use are not (nor should be considered).

I would like to know why some Christians seem to be caught in what I would call a legalistical view of speech. I'm serious, it's downright legalism. I don't understand it one bit. It's almost pride. Pride in the sense of "this is not of God!" when it is only expressing a minor excitement, disgust, or what-have-you, that is civilly acceptable in society and hitherto, that has no real vulgar connotation, etc.

Please, why are Christians so sensitive to things like this? Even the topic of sex. Most Christians never (I've seen it displayed on this board) like to discuss the topic of sex (good, spiritual sex-- in a positive manner, done to the glory of God-- mainly it's just anti-sex.

This is another reason that I tire of Christianity. It just makes no sense. Please discuss this civilly. We are all brethren, spiritually or physically.

An example in Scripture of a somewhat minor vulgar word used by Paul (hope you don't censor it Greg ;-)):

Phi 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but [b]dung[/b], that I may win Christ,

I haven't heard many Christians say this is vulgar or profane! (It's the same word as c**p practically.) Oh, but Paul is using an analogy that is quite repuslive.. Well YES! Language is used to express emotions, even if they are not great. I used c**p to express utter disdain for this act of Ted Haggard, and I think it is quite proper!-- Unlike "your a piece of c**p-- which is very vulgar and improper!

Some will say "well Greg has control and does as he wishes"-- sure. But that doesn't mean we can't discuss this in generality as to why so many Christians have this odd 'repulsion' to these things.

I recall a time when I was in a car with a lady at a church I was going to (but we were going somewhere else) and there were teenagers in the car (they were relatively old) and she was getting really really mad at them for saying "oh my god"-- and she was like chastising them for it as if it was the worst sin ever. I call it religion. Religion that acts like it is holier than thou and that to utter such a word is the most profane thing, yet whose religion does far worse things in thought and deed. It's thought that matters. "Thou desirest truth in the inward parts." God doesn't really care I believe about those girls saying "omg!"-- he moreso cared for their heart, and where there heart was, and who there heart was serving. Sigh. When we get so concerned over the things not of heart and thought, I believe we really cross the line into religion and out of spirit.

Jordan

 2006/11/4 22:24
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Jordan,

You really would do well to change your choice of words. You really don't have to express yourself like the rest of the world does or what you say is civilly acceptable in society. Consider that it might be pride in you to demand that others accept your speach, especially when it would be so easy for you to change it. We are guests on this forum and we should remember that.

GaryE


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The censorship on this board is quite appalling to me.


Is it now ... So shall we cater to every whim that comes through? Is this now all about you because there was an objection and a correction? Are you a rebel?

You say you wish to discuss this civilly yet launch a handful of accusations. If you cannot handle the simplest of corrections without feeling a need to vindicate yourself you are going to have a real hard time being humble.

Don't be surprised if someone else ends up deleting this ...


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This is another reason that I tire of Christianity


Jordan, It seems that you are angry and frustrated right now, and no doubt you have some reasons.

It would be best that you pour your complaint out before God, and let him help you move on from there. He can help you - just like he's helped many who felt like you do now.

After the turmoil settles, what will you feel about this post? I know that you would not wish that others saw this. I trust that you will remove this, and maybe turn it into a prayer, asking God to help you have a merciful heart - just like Jesus had towards those who hurt him.

EDIT: after taking more careful observation of you words, I see some legitamate concerns... will address in a later post.

Diane


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jordanamo,

As far as the use of words, it is clearly commanded in Scripture that our words be pure:

1 Cor 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

Sure, the "c" word is probably not that big a deal, it may be lawful, but is it expediant? It may not hurt us, but what about the weak brother that listens to us. Not out of legalism, but that we would simply choose whatever is good, whatever is just, etc, etc. Would it not be disappointing to meet Christ and hear Him use the "c" word? So we should not use the cleanest words possible to meet a standard, but because we want to be little Jesus' (Christ-ians).

As far as "OMG", we are talking about using the name of the Creator to express human disappointment, disapproval, or shock. God says not to use His name in vain, and the word "vain" basically means selfishness. So how much more selfishly could we use the name of the Lord than to use it as a haphazard expression?

So using clean language is not to impress God or anyone else, but that others would see our good works "and glorify your Father which is in Heaven." Jesus said for us to be light in a dark world. Light can be seen. So the world watches us to see if our deeds are Christ-like, or like the world. So let our words glorify the Lord Jesus, not to maintain a standard, but to show our love to Christ, by keeping His commandments:

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

We do this not out of debt, but out of love.


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They are great scriptures, unforunatly we cannot change ourselves especially when we live in habit, I can tell you that its not easy, not to swear if thats all you knew before you were saved, I personally think it is good that the forum only puts on edifying topic's, I mean if some one came on here with a lust problem and saw a topic on sex, it could cause people to speak things that are not revelant to the topic in itself even if it is spoken in a godly way, most speeches can end up ungodly in the end, I have seen it happen to normal conversations between people and its not worth it, I can see where this person is coming from but I do agree that swearing isnt needed to be written on the forum even if we dont agree with what is written, its not worth it. I hate swearing out of anger in general let alone reading it by some one else to be honest, if we swear on everything how can we possibly have a chance to change for the good. But love mercy and peace needs to be respected by all parties, no one is perfect and God is changing us all from Glory to Glory, Strength to strength. God Bless.


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Sin is sin dear brothers and sisters.

God has called us to purity and holiness. Not of legalistic rote but out of a born-again experience and a inward catering to the "things of God"

"As [b]obedient children[/b], not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so [b]be ye holy[/b] in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, [b]be ye holy[/b]; for I am holy." - 1 Peter 1:14-16

It says in a verse before this "gird up the lions of your [b]mind[/b]"

and it says in verse 22 of the same chapter: "[b]obeying the truth[/b] through the Spirit."

I think the brother that showed the verses in this thread is right on. It is the Holy Scriptures and if we have no desire to be conformed to them then are the inward graces of God working in our hearts?

Whom God saves, he cleanses. He [b]will[/b] cleanse our lips and tongues from all filthy communication.

And more importantly he will purify our hearts from which all words and thoughts come forth.

I really recommend these sermons by Alan Martin [b]HIGHLY[/b]!

[b]Gracious Speech[/b]
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=13213

[b]A Pure Heart[/b]
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=13214

[b]Hinderances to Beholding Him[/b]
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=13622

[b]Why God Waits[/b]
http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=13623


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As a young man trying to follow the way of purity I'd just like to say thankyou to Greg and the other moderaters, for your censorship. I appreciate it alot. Thankyou!

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why is it so often when a person that have some "power" like now the moderators come in and use it, not just here on SI but in real life, when someone speaks out and say this is wrong, so often someone shouts "LEGALIST!!!" i know what they meen but i thank god there are men who have the curage to obey the LAWS JESUS GAVE US, im grateful at what "level" the bar is set on this forum, i promise you if Greg would let anyone post what they want it wouldent take long until it would be full of filth from the world, lets keep ourself clen, whitout spot or wrinkle... At my workplace the lostpeople talk about everything whit no regard to anyone, Men speak about how and what they are or isent doing to thier wifes...and it just discusting to listen to, and what grives me the most is i used to be like that, im so ashamed... anything used to come out of my mouth, but by the grace of god he cleansed me and gave me the holy spirit that now convicts me in such a state i cant talk like that anymore, our talking should be such that it gives glory to GOD, no matter the topic,
id recomend read thrue proverbs... anyone will discover great things about HOW GOD WANTS people to talk... if you read it whit that intention...its a great study

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John Wesley: "Holiness is not legalism."

Again on the subject of pure language, we should look to the famous chapter of Isaiah 6. Before the prophet could be sent out what was his confession?

[5] Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

...then God's judgment/cleansing on the unclean lips:

[6] Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:

[7] And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

All this done BEFORE God could send the prophet, and moreso, before God would even CALL the prophet to go forth:

[8] Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

[9] And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Clean speech is not a joke with God. So why should his people not take seriously what He takes seriously in His Word? Jesus says it all here:

Matt 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.


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