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Yeah, I've heard that. All you trying to do is label me a legalist. What you fail to realize in your argument is that holiness, respect, reverence for the Lord's house and His alter is now looked upon as legalism by the modern church cult who can no longer make distinctions between going to church and going to the beach.... All in the name of unity and "lets win the world".



Thats not at all what I am saying. Again, you refuse to go back and read the over 2,400 posts I have written on this forum in an effort to get to know me... so you make rediculous assumptions about me, and put words in my mouth in what appears to be an attempt to make yourself look like I'm persecuting you.

You saying I am against holiness is laughable. As far as God's house and God's alter... His house is not made of wood and stone, and His alter is my heart. You can call an oak railing God's alter if you wish, but it's gonna burn up like chaff. So are our "God's houses" that some heathen construction company was hired to build.

I really wish, Ormly, that you would take some time to get to know my heart... it's laid out on this forum for all to see. But you refuse to do it. How sad that is.

Krispy



DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! I didn't say you were against holiness. If the best you can do is misrepresent my words..... don't respond to them.

 2006/11/21 14:01









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Not sure how else I was to interpret your words, brutha. Several times on this thread you have implied that I am willing to sacrifice holiness... so if I'm wrong this time, forgive me. But in light of the rest of the conversation, I dont see how else I'm supposed to take that.

I just wish you could stick to the subject. Only about 5% of everything you've written on this thread has anything to do with the topic.

There is another thread called "They Sold Their Souls For Rock-n-Roll" that is actually closer to the topic of this thread than this thread is!

Krispy

 2006/11/21 14:22









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KrispyKrittr wrote:
Not sure how else I was to interpret your words, brutha. Several times on this thread you have implied that I am willing to sacrifice holiness... so if I'm wrong this time, forgive me. But in light of the rest of the conversation, I dont see how else I'm supposed to take that.

I just wish you could stick to the subject. Only about 5% of everything you've written on this thread has anything to do with the topic.

There is another thread called "They Sold Their Souls For Rock-n-Roll" that is actually closer to the topic of this thread than this thread is!

Krispy




Never mind refering to the other "several times", speak of your last post where you misreprsented my words. Words mean something. Try reading mine a little better than you do or at least ask questions before you accuse.

Orm

 2006/11/21 14:49









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OK... what was your point?

Krispy

 2006/11/21 15:31









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KrispyKrittr wrote:
OK... what was your point?

Krispy



My point now is that you stop misrepresenting what I write. While I'll admit my writing can be improved upon, however, I was quite clear on my point concerning legalism perceived vs lack of holiness, not recognized. I stand my remark. Distinctions need to made.

Orm

 2006/11/21 16:29









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OK... I understand that. Now, how does that relate to the topic of this thread?

Krispy

 2006/11/21 17:11









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KrispyKrittr wrote:
OK... I understand that. Now, how does that relate to the topic of this thread?

Krispy



I don't know anymore.

 2006/11/21 18:06









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LOL.... sorry brother! Yesterday wasnt a good day for either of us, I guess.

Have a cup of Joe with me this morning? Freshly brewed...

Krispy

 2006/11/22 8:05
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how does that relate to the topic of this thread?


Krispy, 26 pages, and I feel that we have barely scratched the surface of an excellent topic - of decline in music in our culture. We typically gravitate towards issues surrounding the church service and personal matters, but would do better to consider the implications of music on our society in general. Can we move on? Maybe if we do, we can actually do something about the problem.

We aren’t the only ones concerned. Educators are too. Just google: Music Benefits Education - and you will find loads of material to enhance this topic. Without taking a deeper look we really miss the overall reason why God gave us the ability to make music. Yes, I do believe that God gave us music to benefit humanity. He doesn’t need it for his own well-being, though of course is pleased when we use our abilities to express gratitude to him.


Tragically, ungodly societal values like competitiveness, defence, commercialism, etc take root the further society gets from God. These sinful goals always take its toll on the individuals in our society. Music takes a downward plunge, because it doesn't benefit the bigger "cause".

Music has a vital role in creating overall well-being – just like eating healthy food. I know Christians are quick to shout “Humanism” when you talk about anything that benefits mankind. But is a humanitarian perspective really evil? To believe so does not reflect the attitude that Jesus portrayed when he was on earth. We must minister to the needs of the people, not just tell them they are going to hell if they don’t “accept Jesus”. Music has a significant role, and Christians would do well to broaden their understanding, and make better use of it.

For instance, on the web there is an article describing how music reduces labor pains. That kind of thinking just doesn’t enter out minds because we have been programmed by the pharmaceutical philosophy: there is a drug for all your troubles.



I also found an article that differentiates between ACTIVE music (when you are actually making it) and PASSIVE music (when someone else makes it - which I think is what this thread has focused on) . I realize that this is not a Christian article, but just because humanists take God’s truth doesn’t mean we should throw it all out.


Here are a few quotes from [url=http://www.amc-music.com/news/articles/AMM.htm]Active Music Making and Wellness[/url]:
Active music making can powerfully influence people's thoughts and feelings; and, it differs from passive music listening in several ways.

…music making expands mental abilities that are essential to good mental function, while music listening allows minds to wander

Though passive music listening provides some diversion from stressors, it cannot afford the success and the self-esteem that can come from actually making music.

Active music making can help structure time, both while playing and while planning a daily schedule. It helps making time meaningful and purposeful. Also, active music making provides opportunities to declare individual interests and preferences, to express strong emotions, to display individuality and flare, to derive feelings of worth, and to have something to anticipate.

While passive listening provides some of these outcomes, making music goes beyond the boundaries of prerecorded sounds to unique and personal expressions and communications to positive self-regard and good self-care that are essential to well-being.
Something else to consider: How do our church musicians become good musicians?


( By the way, Krispy, Any comment on my last post to you?)


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Diane

 2006/11/22 8:18Profile









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Diane... which post? The one about Bach?

I think you're right. We've barely scratched the surface... however, it seems that the thread "They Sold Their Souls For Rock-n-Roll" kinda picked up the topic of this thread and ran with it.

I would like to read your post again when I can slow down and absorb it a little better. I'll be back...

Krispy

 2006/11/22 8:47





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