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And there he is with his green spiked hair and broken string electric guitar with all its distortion silenced, standing before the Lord in that day and exclaiming, "I love ya man".

Somehow I don't quite see that as a probability.

Maybe better to get all that sorted out now.

;-)

 2006/11/9 15:42
BenBrockway
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Ormly wrote:
And there he is with his green spiked hair and broken string electric guitar with all its distortion silenced, standing before the Lord in that day and exclaiming, "I love ya man".

Somehow I don't quite see that as a probability.

Maybe better to get all that sorted out now.

;-)



And you once again fail to see the point within this discussion! :-o


Whether we want to use your example or not, you judge based on the surface rather then the heart! I am so glad that you're not the judge and that I do have a God who judges based on the heart!

 2006/11/9 15:50Profile









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BenBrockway wrote:


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Ormly wrote:
And there he is with his green spiked hair and broken string electric guitar with all its distortion silenced, standing before the Lord in that day and exclaiming, "I love ya man".

Somehow I don't quite see that as a probability.

Maybe better to get all that sorted out now.

;-)



And you once again fail to see the point within this discussion! :-o


Whether we want to use your example or not, you judge based on the surface rather then the heart! I am so glad that yuo're not the judge and that I do have a God who judges based on the heart!




Yes, I know.

 2006/11/9 15:53
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Just want to say a few words here...do not want to be intruding, but will anyways... :-o

These modern musicians, do they radiate the love of Jesus and his peace? I have never seen them do this. They all look so sad, afraid, angry...and you say they love Jesus? Sorry....I do not see them filled with the joy of the LORD...and their music (sound) reflects this frustration with life.

ginnyrose


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 2006/11/9 15:58Profile
mamaluk
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Not hardly. I believe God is Holy and His Holiness is something to be revered and approached with fear and trembling, held in awe and to be given our best. Even the some sloppy contemporary music speaks of His "awesomeness" yet violate it in His presence.



Absolutely, anything short of this Holiness and Awesomeness will not be acceptable, yet these elements, I believe, are embedded in the totality of Christ, so that when we are commanded to worship God in Spirit (Christ's Spirit) and in Truth (Christ/Truth Manifest), anything remotely distracts us from our attention to the acknowledgment of Christ and His glory is nothing but the "strange fire" in the Pentateuch.
While anything that draws our hearts towards the adoration of Christ,here, obviously the Holy Spirit and the Holy Word, pleases God. Chaotic or licentious "worship" music destroys this awesomeness and entices the flesh. In fact, this sort of music induces "self-worship".







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They give their best to Him. That's what The Lord expects from us. They realize what is at stake which is far more than I see in the contemporary way here in our post modern, purpose driven, church. Can it be said that is being done by imitating the Rolling Stones or any other group



As for this " best", it is again nothing short of Christ's Blood that can please the Father. Remembering God told us that our righteousness is but filthy rags.:) I suppose then, if the music and lyrics draw our [i]hearts and minds [/i]in presenting Christ to God, rather than producing merely fleshly emotions or even gushing tears without the acknowledgment of or gratitude towards Christ.

[color=0000CC]John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers[b] shall[/b] worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.[/color]

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Worship of God isn't a time to be creative.



Totally agreed. Given these verses alone, anything aside from Truth and Spirit, are "strange fire".

[color=0000CC]John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him[b] must[/b] worship him in spirit and in truth.[/color]

All this talk we hear so much about " you don't know what's in one's heart"..funny, what [i]is [/i]there to know? The Bible had already told us what are in the sinners' hearts. However, we are told to discern or judge by the fruits that are produced from the hearts. In this case, if any "worship" activities conduct music brings out chaos and vain displays of emotions or raves showmanship, they represent "strange fires".

Yeah, any worship that violates the above 2 verses is "strange fire".


 2006/11/9 16:00Profile
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mamaluk wrote:

All this talk we hear so much about " you don't know what's in one's heart"..funny, what [i]is [/i]there to know? The Bible had already told us what are in the sinners' hearts. However, we are told to discern or judge by the fruits that are produced from the hearts. In this case, if any "worship" activities conduct music brings out chaos and vain displays of emotions or raves showmanship, they represent "strange fires".

Yeah, any worship that violates the above 2 verses is "strange fire".




So, I guess we could throw out all of Psalms, or even the Song of Solomon! Many written in/with chaos and many with your interpretation of vain displays of emotion. How sad!

You are right in the fruit that comes out of our lives... So are you saying that just because I love Christian rock music, that my hearts desire for revival and the fact that I and a buddy constantly pray to see it come, is a bad fruit? Wow! Such harsh judgement! You know not my heart but that I am a sinner. I know not that it is wise to base your judgement upon your intrepretations! We could go on and on in arguing what God sees as edifying and holy worship, because of the Scripture you present and the Scriptures I present! We are all right to a degree, but ultimatly, thank God, it isn't up to you to interpret my heart in worship, it is up to God!

 2006/11/9 16:21Profile









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And there he is with his green spiked hair and broken string electric guitar



I think that went out around 1983, didnt it?

Ormly... looking back on this thread, and reviewing the way you have wrenched my words out of context, put words in my mouth, ignored half of what I said, and generally misinterpretted everything I have said... it makes me wonder if you do the same to scripture, and thats why you are saying some rather odd things on this thread.

Besides, this thread was about creativity in music, and you have turned it into your own little peck and scratch soapbox about God only knows what. There is no point to anything your apparently trying to say.

I'm not mad or frustrated at you... just wondering if you have a point to all this? I'm scratching my head over here! Getting my fingers thru my green spikey hair isnt as easy as one might think! (Actually, I have the same "high & tight" I've had since the Marine Corp.)

Krispy

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We could go on and on in arguing what God sees as edifying and holy worship, because of the Scripture you present and the Scriptures I present!



Edify!!?? Is that what worship is all about? If so, who is to be edified? God, to whom the worship is to be directed? You, me, the congregation who should be worshipping? To be edified in worship of God, you say? A strange understanding you have of worship to God to say nothing of the unacceptable sounds offered up.

But that is this "strange fire" age, as Mamaluk so apply states it.

 2006/11/9 16:31









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KrispyKrittr wrote:
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And there he is with his green spiked hair and broken string electric guitar



I think that went out around 1983, didnt it?

Ormly... looking back on this thread, and reviewing the way you have wrenched my words out of context, put words in my mouth, ignored half of what I said, and generally misinterpretted everything I have said... it makes me wonder if you do the same to scripture, and thats why you are saying some rather odd things on this thread.

Besides, this thread was about creativity in music, and you have turned it into your own little peck and scratch soapbox about God only knows what. There is no point to anything your apparently trying to say.

I'm not mad or frustrated at you... just wondering if you have a point to all this? I'm scratching my head over here! Getting my fingers thru my green spikey hair isnt as easy as one might think! (Actually, I have the same "high & tight" I've had since the Marine Corp.)

Krispy



Sorry, but you will have to be more forthcoming with what words you believe I have wrenched out of context and placed in your mouth. AND what odd "things" am I'm saying on this thread that you don't seem to think, fit?

FWIW, Green spiked hair is still with us. I see it, but not often.

 2006/11/9 16:38
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Ormly wrote:
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We could go on and on in arguing what God sees as edifying and holy worship, because of the Scripture you present and the Scriptures I present!



Edify!!?? Is that what worship is all about? If so, who is to be edified? God, to whom the worship is to be directed? You, me, the congregation who should be worshipping? To be edified in worship of God, you say? A strange understanding you have of worship to God to say nothing of the unacceptable sounds offered up.

But that is this "strange fire" age, as Mamaluk so apply states it.




You LOVE to take out of context, my friend. That is the only way you can deem yourself right. You take what is not and make it what is.

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