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coops
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 Barna, Comfort & McLaren?!

I'm a little amazed. I though Barna was very respected and biblical. Even Ray Comfort quotes him (and we know way of the master crew are pretty conservative). So I just stumbled accross this today:
http://www.revolutionconference.com/
Both Barna & Brian McLaren (I thought he was an absolue heretic) are speaking at the same conference? Wow.


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 2006/10/6 22:55Profile









 Re: Barna, Comfort & McLaren?!

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coops wrote:
I'm a little amazed. I though Barna was very respected and biblical. Even Ray Comfort quotes him (and we know way of the master crew are pretty conservative). So I just stumbled accross this today:
http://www.revolutionconference.com/
Both Barna & Brian McLaren (I thought he was an absolue heretic) are speaking at the same conference? Wow.



Don't be surprised. Be alerted. Be disappointed at the deception and with some, it is "purposefully" so. Those of the socio-theological camp will embrace any belief that supports their effort for their cause be it from the secular or religious community. Warren, Hybels, et al sound oh so right. However, one must lift the sheets to discover whats really going on. Consider much of the lit out and see what the main focus is on. Unity for sure, but with God? Only presumptously so. God has other purposes they are being used for.

:-(

 2006/10/10 13:03









 help me out coops...

why do you think Brian McLaren is "absolute heretic"?

I'm not asking that to stir the pot, but I constantly hear this one or that one is a heretic, and there aint enough hours in the day for a fellow to go digging thru the info pile to make "absolute" pronouncements, so help me out here....whats the matter with B. McLaren, where is he going off the rails as you see it?

bartle

 2006/10/10 14:10
hmmhmm
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 Re: help me out coops...

i was wondering the same thing... i dont know anything about the man, but absulute heretic is quite a statement.... just qurios


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 2006/10/10 14:32Profile









 Re: help me out coops...

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bartle wrote:
why do you think Brian McLaren is "absolute heretic"?

I'm not asking that to stir the pot, but I constantly hear this one or that one is a heretic, and there aint enough hours in the day for a fellow to go digging thru the info pile to make "absolute" pronouncements, so help me out here....whats the matter with B. McLaren, where is he going off the rails as you see it?

bartle



Have you ever heard him speak?

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 2006/10/10 16:19
coops
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 Re: Brian McLaren

You can: [url=http://podcast.wayofthemasterradio.com/audio/podcasts/0406/WOTMR-042706-2.mp3]Listen to him on radio (25:45 and onwards)[/url].

Way of the master radio played his stuff once to look at what he was saying, and here is a running summary:
-Judgement of only Jewish leaders
-Jewish leaders had a path of violence
-Jesus came to create peace & harmony
-Jewish leaders rejects Jesus' message of peace
-AD.67-70 was THE judgment by God through romans on Jerusalem
-The threat of hell (ghena) by Jesus was FULFILLED when Jerusalem was detroyed
-[This destroys the doctrine of hell!]
-Takes a shot at hermenutics, as taking things out of context
-Jesus came to usher in the kingdom through peace
-We will bring the kingdom to earth through our love
-The doctrine of hell means God would get his way through violence & coersion
-The "coming kingdom" is not "coming", it is here through your kindness & suffering
-[NOTE: where is the atonement? Totally decontructed & thrown out. There seems to be no need. So if he doesn't believe in atonement...]
-Your traditional view of the bible is wrong. Let me show you what the whole narrative really means.

Etc. etc.

[url=http://podcast.wayofthemasterradio.com/audio/podcasts/0406/WOTMR-042706-2.mp3]Listen to the whole thing[/url]
(Intro 23:00, or go from 25:45 onwards for the meaty stuff)


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 2006/10/10 19:48Profile









 ormly........

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Have you ever heard him speak?



noooooo, have you?

 2006/10/11 0:09









 coops

I listened to the whole program, actually I'm listening right now at the McLaren segment, but that host with the smooth radio voice (who is that?) is going over a tape, where he stops it atter tiny brief segments of what McLaren is saying......lemme listen more....

more: Gotta tell ya, this radio host has a tone in his voice that is just....well, lemme say I'm not drawn to listening this host...I still cant figure out what is being argued......

he keeps hitting in the "emergents"...ok.

Thanks for trying to explain to me why McLaren is a "heretic".

In the end brother, I believe we must investigate on our own, and work out our salvations with fear and trembling, and some guys are drawn to one radio show, and other guys to others.

bartle

 2006/10/11 0:57
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 Re:

If anyone doubts that McLaren is unorthodox in his Christianity, look no further than this revealing research:

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/01/brian_mclaren_a_1.html

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/01/brian_mclaren_a_2.html

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/01/brian_mclaren_a_3.html

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/01/brian_mclaren_a_4.html

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/01/brian_mclaren_a_5.html

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/01/brian_mclaren_a_6.html

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2006/01/brian_mclaren_a_7.html


 2006/10/11 1:41Profile
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 Re:

i havent checked everything here, but i know when ever someone comes whit a new thing, a new sort of christianity...then its something wrong, there is only one sort of christianity.... all else is false.. there is only one jesus, and if it is mclaren or anyone else who proclaims "new kind of christianty" or new kind of church, if one meen that in the sense to bring back to the original then its good, but when its new ideas and so on it gets dangerous, and we should be careful, me for one i stick whit the old classics...but the one book we all should read most is the bible, every other book is foolishnes compared to that book, no matter who wrote it,


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