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rookie
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Brother Phillip wrote:

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We are this corn of wheat walking around in quickened bodies with the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit in us. That is our glory,



This reminds me of other Scriptures...


Psa. 4:1 Hear me when I call, O God of my righteousness!
You have relieved me in my distress;
Have mercy on me, and hear my prayer.
2 How long, O you sons of men,
Will you turn my glory to shame?
How long will you love worthlessness
And seek falsehood?
Selah
3 But know that the LORD has set apart for Himself him who is godly;
The LORD will hear when I call to Him.


Psa. 7:8 The LORD shall judge the peoples;
Judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness,
And according to my integrity within me.
9 Oh, let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end,
But establish the just;
For the righteous God tests the hearts and minds.


Is Scripture correct when David refers to himself as possessing righteousness?

Is he an example of what you stated above?

In Christ
Jeff


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Jeff Marshalek

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In Psalm 119 we find these thoughts...

Psa. 119:7 I will praise You with uprightness of heart,
When I learn Your righteous judgments.

Psa. 119:40 Behold, I long for Your precepts;
Revive me in Your righteousness.

Psa. 119:62 At midnight I will rise to give thanks to You,
Because of Your righteous judgments.

Psa. 119:106 I have sworn and confirmed
That I will keep Your righteous judgments.

Psa. 119:121 I have done justice and righteousness;
Do not leave me to my oppressors.

Psa. 119:123 My eyes fail from seeking Your salvation
And Your righteous word.

Psa. 119:137 Righteous are You, O LORD,
And upright are Your judgments.
138 Your testimonies, which You have commanded,
Are righteous and very faithful.

Psa. 119:142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.

Psa. 119:144 The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting;
Give me understanding, and I shall live.

Psa. 119:160 The entirety of Your word is truth,
And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.

Psa. 119:164 Seven times a day I praise You,
Because of Your righteous judgments.

Psa. 119:172 My tongue shall speak of Your word,
For all Your commandments are righteousness.


How do this man know about righteousness?

Under the power of what covenant does he know?

(Remember Romans 3...all are totally depraved...and the carnal mind is enmity against the Lord)

In Christ
Jeff


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Absolutely, but Joshua is not Jesus Christ, he is a picture of what Christ would become and now is. We must see Christ in the whole word of God, but making Him the salvation of the old testament is not rightly dividing the scripture. To the Jew first, and then the Gentile. Old and New. Law and giving faith by God to believe, for the old and Making Christ in you our Faith by Grace are two different dispensations. One earthly the other Heavenly.

In Christ: Phillip

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:

Eph 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

Col 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

I have always made it plain that Christ in you is the Hope of Glory and this Christ in you must come after the Cross, it was not available before the Cross. It finishes the work Christ did on the Cross.

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Now Pentecost is available. Not before the ascension of Christ and the answered Prayer of Jesus to the Father for the Comforted to come.

Now Christ in you is available to those that believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Jesus Christ the Son of God in the believer and being made wisdom, righteousness, sanctification and redemption. Not before the Cross was this mystery known. No not known. Colossians 1:26-27 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Dispensation of Law and mercy and the Dispensation of Grace by Faith to provide a new life in Christ Jesus.

In Christ: Phillip


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Psalm 119 is Christ and what He will accomplish in His ministry.

Psalms 119:22 Remove from me reproach and contempt; for I have kept thy testimonies.

No one but Christ can do this: Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

This is in the garden, Jesus looking into the cup He must drink. Horror that caused the sweat of great drops of Blood.

Psalms 119:53 Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law.

The longest Psalm in the bible, rightly so, and this still does not give the whole make up of Jesus Christ to His Father.

Only Christ could say this.

Psalms 119:101 I have refrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep thy word.

Father take this cup from me, yet not my will but thy will be done.

Psalms 119:173-176 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts. I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight. Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me. I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Do you know what was in that cup? It was the sin of the whole world. That is enough to horrify anyone, yet Jesus said, not what I want but what you want.


In Christ: Phillip


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When God promises to be God to Abraham and to each generation after Abraham, for an everlasting covenant, what covenant could that only be?



It is the covenant that found its fulfillment in the person of Christ; the promised seed. Not to be confused with the Sinai Covenant with the people of Israel which ended at Calvary. It had 'local' outworkings in the life of Abraham and those who shared Abraham's kind of faith but its goal was the bringing forth of the Seed.

'everlasting covenant' is a phrase which always needs to be examined in its context. eg
The shewbread was to be set before the Lord for an 'everlasting covenant', although there were many gaps in the performance even before it was ended at Calvary. Lev 24:8

David's dynasty was to be for an 'everlasting covenant' even though the monarchy ended in 597 BC. 2Sam 23:5

The Sinai Covenant was described as an 'everlasting covenant' although God took it away to make room for the New Covenant. 1Chr 16:17. Ps 105:10.

The phrase 'everlasting' in scripture literally means 'age-enduring' and the 'everlastingness' of the word is determined by the time parameters of the covenant. It might be translated 'uninterrupted'. It does not mean 'eternal' in all its uses.






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Also, an everlasting covenant, not only because it was to endure as long as the Jewish religion and polity stood, but also because this was to stand there everlastingly, or continually, as is here said, and therefore the new cakes were first brought before the old were taken away.

The Jewish religious ceremonial parts no longer exist in the temple and the politicalness of the temple priest hood does not exist either.

"The new cakes must be brought before the old is taken away." The new covenant must come first by Jesus Christ before the old covenant is taken away.

The old covenant does not exist and the new covenant in the Blood of Jesus Christ does. That is why in Christ there is no longer Jew or Gentile. They are one in Christ Jesus. This is individual salvation into One Body, which is the Body of Christ His Church, not the old covenant of Abraham. We should never put the old covenant with the new covenant That is like putting the members of Christ's body with the harlot wife of God, that is Israel. Don't commingle the harlot with the bride.

1Cr 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make [them] the members of an harlot? God forbid.

Who is the Harlot? Jer 3:6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen [that] which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.

Who was her Husband?

Isa 54:5 For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.

1Cr 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is the separation of Israel and the body of Christ the Church. She will be redeemed on the slave block as in Hosea buying back the harlot wife and bringing her into covenant again.

This will happen in the millennium when Christ is King on David's throne and Israel on this earth will be what she was intended to be when God chose her through Abraham and made her his wife.

We are the body of Christ His bride. I don't need to explain the difference, it is plain in scripture.

In Christ His bride, Phillip


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Brother Ron wrote:

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It is the covenant that found its fulfillment in the person of Christ; the promised seed. Not to be confused with the Sinai Covenant with the people of Israel which ended at Calvary. It had 'local' outworkings in the life of Abraham and those who shared Abraham's kind of faith but its goal was the bringing forth of the Seed.



I would go one step further in saying that the grace of God creates a faith that produces the Seed in those who live by faith.

To know the righteousness that emanates from God, one will come to understand that the spiritual dna is contained in the Seed. He is the revelation of salvation for those who believe.

God Bless you brother

In Christ
Jeff


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This will happen in the millennium when Christ is King on David's throne and Israel on this earth will be what she was intended to be when God chose her through Abraham and made her his wife.

Your view but not mine.


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"The new cakes must be brought before the old is taken away." The new covenant must come first by Jesus Christ before the old covenant is taken away.

?? [color=0000ff]“Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.” (Heb 10:8-9 KJVS)[/color] It important, I think, to understand that the New Covenant does not negate the Old by overlaying it, but that God specifically brought the Old to an end before inaugurating the new.

A similar 'passing away' of the old before the coming of the new is seen in [color=0000ff]“A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”
(Ezek 36:26-27 KJVS)[/color] where the 'new heart' is given after the 'old heart' is removed.


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One aspect of 'enduing' which is easily missed is the forms of dress familiar to the Biblical period. The familiar phrase is [color=0000ff]“And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.” (Luke 24:49 KJVS)[/color] Many other versions translate this as does the ASV... [color=0000ff]“And behold, I send forth the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city, until ye be clothed with power from on high.” (Luke 24:49 ASV)[/color]...as 'clothed' and this has given the impression that the Pentecostal effusion was merely an 'upon' experience of the Spirit. Other uses of the word 'enduO' show this 'clothing' element clearly; Matt 6:25; 22:11; 27:31; Mark 1:6; 6:9; 15:17,20; Luke 12:22; 15:22; 24:49; Acts 12:21; Rom 13:12,14; 1Cor 15:53-54; 2Cor 5:3; Gal 3:27; Eph 4:24; 6:11,14; Col 3:10,12; 1Th 5:8; Rev 1:13; 15:6; 19:14

However we must not relegate this to a mere external event as we can see plainly from ...[color=0000ff]“The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us [u]put on the armour of light[/u]. But [u]put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ[/u], and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Rom 13:12,14 KJVS)[/color] ...where is it clear that we are reading about the inward character of Christ which is the direct result of 'indwelling'.

The derivation of 'enduO' is instructive. 'duO' means to sink and is used in Mark 1:32; Luke 4:40 to describe the 'setting' or 'sinking' sun. The prefix 'en' is 'in' or 'within'. It is an interesting idiom of Greek that they did not 'put on' their clothes but 'sank down into them'. It is the idiom we employ when we say 'I'll just slip into something more comfortable'. This is 'power' that we step into and which clothes us. The English idiom of 'putting clothes [u]on[/u]' may mislead us here.

We must not, therefore, slavishly conceive of the Spirit coming 'upon' as an alternative to the Spirit coming 'within' or of us being 'in the Spirit'. These are helpful images not straight-jackets. The purpose is focus and emphasis rather than fiercely defined words of territorial location.

One of the words frequently used of the Spirit is 'dunamis' which many preachers will tell you is like 'dynamite'. I once heard a Pentecostal preacher say "you are to be clothed with dynamite and that means no smoking!". There's an interesting exposition! But 'dunamis' does not mean 'bolt-on power' but rather 'inherent power'. It is the power of the nature of a thing. An army's 'power' would be defined in terms of 'man-power', that is, its inherent strength which is measured by its constituent parts not its weaponry. Birds, generally, have flying dunamis. It is not an optional extra but a power inherent in the nature of the creature. The promised 'dunamis' then of the New Covenant was not 'power to do' primarily but the 'power to be', and from the inherent power of a new disposition a new era of the Spirit would flow.


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In considering the time when the disciples were 'indwelt' by the Spirit we must also consider the corollary that those indwelt by the Spirit and also 'in the Spirit'. [color=0000ff]“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.”
(John 14:20 KJVS)[/color]
Now all we have to do is identify 'that day'. ;-) The phrase is used three times in John...
[color=0000ff]John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
John 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: [/color]
The John 14:20 is preceded by the phrase "I will not leave you orphans: I will come to you" It is followed by the statement [color=0000ff]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” (John 14:23 KJVS)[/color] and by the statement that the Father will send the Spirit in Christ's name (v26) Can there be any doubt but that this is referring to the day of Pentecost? [color=0000ff]“Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
(Acts 2:33 KJVS)[/color]

This was not accomplished until Christ was 'exalted at the right hand of the Father'. While Christ was on earth He could not 'indwell' anyone. It was only when he had left the earth and sent the Spirit that 'indwelling' could be possible.


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