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 Do We NEED APOSTLES??

DO We NEED APOSTLES??
-by Andrew Strom.

We are all aware of how the word "apostle" has been cheapened
and mis-applied so widely in recent years. It seems it is no longer
good enough in some quarters to be merely "Senior Pastor so-
and-so". You have to be "Apostle" - and furthermore to carry
business-cards telling everybody so.

But underneath all this posturing lies a very important question -
one that we need to place near the very top of our list of "vital
questions for today's church". The question is simply this- "Do
we need true New Testament APOSTLES to have a true New
Testament CHURCH?" Some will scoff and say, "Of course not!
We have their writings and that is enough." But my reply would
be- "Yes, we have now had their writings restored for 500
years, and yet we have never seen a return to full apostolic
Christianity as it was in the beginning. The purity, the power,
the miracles, the anointing and even the GOSPEL of the early
Christians seem to elude us still." -WHY IS THAT??

The closest we have ever come to full NT Christianity was during
times of Revival and Great Awakening. And during those times
there is no doubt that there were preachers of almost "apostolic"
stature - Wesley, Fox, Edwards, Tennant, Finney, Sung, etc.
(-Especially Wesley, I feel). But why is it that - even then - we
never quite attained to the original faith with the original power?
Could it be that we really do need APOSTLES?

I am particularly struck by one verse of Scripture right near the
start of Acts. -This is the first time that the early church is being
described. And the description begins with this verse- "They gave
themselves to the APOSTLES' TEACHING, and to fellowship, to
the breaking of bread and to prayer." (Acts 2:42). How important
was this continuing "apostles' teaching" to the early church? Well,
the believers in Jerusalem gathered in "Solomon's Portico" to hear
the apostles preach EVERY DAY. -That's how important it was.

I believe it is fair to say that without this - without the fact that
"they gave themselves to the apostles teaching" - there would
have been NO EARLY CHURCH AT ALL. Who had the ANOINTING
to preach a 'life-transforming' gospel? -It was the apostles. Who
had the AUTHORITY to explain and teach the words of Christ? -It
was the apostles. Who were the ones working miracles and
seeing the sick healed every day? -It was the apostles. Or, to be
more correct - it was JESUS WORKING THROUGH the apostles.
But the men themselves were still necessary. In fact, they were
utterly essential.

People will argue and argue about this, and say that we don't need
this approach any more. I beg to differ. Let us take a look at what
the job of the '5-fold' ministry is- "It was He [God] who gave some
to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors
and teachers, to prepare God's people for works of service, so that
the body of Christ may be built up.... attaining to the whole measure
of the fulness of Christ." (Eph 4:11-13). Notice that all five of these
main ministries are needed to bring the body of Christ into real
"fulness" of stature. That means we need proper New Testament
apostles and prophets - as well as the others. And isn't this task
just as vital now as it was then? The fact is, according to this
Scripture, if we do not have ALL these ministries then surely this
task cannot be fully accomplished at all?

But even in some Spirit-filled circles today (especially in the house-
church movement, of which I am a part) the need for "5-fold"
leaders of this kind is often down-played or ignored. We are
desperate to get away from the "one man show" of the institutional
churches, and so we often go to the other extreme - totally
downplaying the need for strong leaders and preachers. We have
"escaped" from all that - so we think.

But in doing so, isn't it possible that we are throwing away the
very thing that God has always used to bring Revival?

The fact is, the Book of Acts was a "5-fold ministry" Revival. It
was strongly led by 5-fold type ministries from beginning to end.
And without them, there would have been no Revival at all. If no
apostles - then plainly no Early Church and no Book of Acts either.
Even the title - "The Acts of the Apostles" says it all. If the apostles
had not 'acted', what would have happened? -Probably almost nothing.

Now, I am a strong proponent of "relational" church myself - and a
strong believer in the "whole body ministering". I have even run
seminars that were called "EVERYONE IS A MINISTER". But if
that concept means leaving behind the desperate need for strong
"5-fold" leaders as well, then I want no part of it. -We have got to
have BOTH!

I cannot believe in a "leaderless" Revival. Such a thing has never
been and never will be - especially if we want to get back to the
Book of Acts. We need apostles and anointed preachers now
more than ever!

God spoke to me many years ago that- "When the new APOSTLES
arise, Revival will begin." -I totally believe that - and it is a thoroughly
scriptural statement. If we want 'Book of Acts' Christianity, then we
must again have 'Book of Acts'-type leaders.

So how can we tell real apostles when we see them? Well, I
believe there are 4 things that signify a full New Testament apostle
(-there are many more aspects, but I believe these four things
are most crucial)-
(1) They must have the ANOINTING to preach an utterly
TRANSFORMING gospel. (-Sin convicting and Christ-centered).
The results will be revolutionary in peoples' lives.
(2) They must be making DISCIPLES - Baptizing them and
teaching them CHRIST's COMMANDMENTS. (-True "disciples"
are a lot different from mere 'converts' or church-goers).
(3) They must have OUTSTANDING HEALINGS and MIRACLES
accompanying their ministry. (-If not, they cannot be walking in
full New Testament apostleship).
(4) Their own lifestyle must match up with Christ's teachings.
(-ie. No mansions or jet-planes! - In fact - quite the opposite).

A lot of people today have the impression that someone who has
planted a few churches (-especially in the West) is an "apostle".
Church-planting is indeed an important aspect of apostleship,
but to call everyone who has planted a church an "apostle" is
going well beyond Scripture and even common sense. -There is
far more to it than that, as the Bible clearly shows.

In conclusion, all I can do is cry out-
"God, send us APOSTLES! Men who burn with holy fire and who
carry a heavy 'Revival' anointing. Bring us back to full New
Testament Chrstianity, oh God! How we need you to move in
this generation."

God bless you, my friends!

Andrew Strom.

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 2006/9/20 14:14Profile
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 Re: Do We NEED APOSTLES??


YES WE DO!! ;-) :-D

Sorry - couldn't resist.

 2006/9/20 15:17Profile
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Quote:
The closest we have ever come to full NT Christianity was during
times of Revival and Great Awakening. And during those times
there is no doubt that there were preachers of almost "apostolic"
stature - Wesley, Fox, Edwards, Tennant, Finney, Sung, etc.
(-Especially Wesley, I feel).


Yes, during these times men of renown came into the light and were used of God mightly. I believe many of these people you listed had such a heavenly mindset and ministry that they were earthly of no good use. A man like Wesley spoke and talked as a "pilgrim" and "alien". Surely these men had a calling of "apostle" as a "called out one." Another mark of a apostle I believe is their heavenly mindset that Colossians 3:1-3 potray. Also a verse that Paul writes to Timothy that everyone "seeks their own" but where are those apostles that purely have their "interests" (time, energy, mind) on Christ and serving Him.

Quote:
But even in some Spirit-filled circles today (especially in the house-
church movement, of which I am a part) the need for "5-fold"
leaders of this kind is often down-played or ignored.


There is a need for men to arise to teach the whole counsel of God. There are many groups of Christians under banners of restoration for "gifts" or "holiness" or "evangelism" or "exegsis of scripture" but where is the group that wants the full recovery of all these manifestations of what a true apostolic church is! We need men of stature that can lead people into this, there is a growing hunger for people to experience the genuine movement of God in a coporate setting where it is not as much experiental individualistically but a kiona in community as a body.

The interesting thing is God usually has these men in hiding before they come out, and as I was listening to Art Katz say this morning people wonder how God could keep men like this hidden!?

Quote:
God spoke to me many years ago that- "When the new APOSTLES
arise, Revival will begin." -I totally believe that - and it is a thoroughly
scriptural statement. If we want 'Book of Acts' Christianity, then we
must again have 'Book of Acts'-type leaders.


Let it be so!


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 2006/9/20 17:05Profile
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Yes - an interesting point, Greg.
"Hiddenness" is common amongst men that God will
use. Think of Moses, Joseph, David... They had
come to prominence early in some way, then went
thru a 'wilderness' until their REAL public ministry
started - often years later.

This certainly seems to be a common pattern - even in Revival history.

Great to see your comments.

God bless!

Andrew Strom.

 2006/9/20 20:27Profile
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 Re:

Someone asked me why 'Azusa Street' was not
really a "Preaching" Revival - which means perhaps
we do not necessarily need such preachers? Here is my response:

There were only two major Revivals in history that were
NOT "preaching" Revivals or "5-fold" type Revivals - that
I know of. (-I have been studying Revivals for over 20 years)

One was Azusa Street - which did not need too much preaching,
as the whole point was basically to "tarry" and get baptized with the Holy Spirit.

The second was the great "Prayer" Revival of 1857-60 - which
was so much about PRAYER that preaching took a back seat - except in England.

Apart from these 2 exceptions, virtually EVERY Revival (including
all the 'Acts' Revivals and multitudes of others down the centuries)
have been "preaching" Revivals. Why? Because that is the
pattern found in Scripture. It takes PREACHERS to preach a
"Revival" gospel. -And that is what precipitates most Revivals.

History is very clear. We either find the necessary 'Revival'
preachers - or we miss out altogether.

Those are the facts.

God bless you!

-Andrew Strom.

 2006/9/20 23:40Profile









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I was walking back to my room night before last thinking about the Gift of tongues thread and all that had been written on it. My mind thought of the rejection of the gift and how sad it was yet Paul said can the hand say to the foot we have no need of thee?
Then I thought of the apostle and prophets debate. And looky here...I see a new thread with this topic,how nice!

I agree that there are modern apostles. I would generally say they are in india and countires like that doing fresh work of the Gospel. sighn's and wonders accompany them,(Gospel of asia for ex.) I also know that there are many in the states who claim to be apostles and are not.

What is the criteria for the modern apostle and prophet? Is it one we can agree on from scripture? God bless, John.

 2006/9/21 4:35





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