There is no need for all the jumping through hoops if you have been quickened of God to your election.
Ohhhh, it's such a delight to meet someone who understands - I mean, really understands!
What do you think salvation is?Do you think it is a thing that we recieve?In fact, it is not, it is a ralationship, which is not one sided as you think.
IRONMAN wrote:if God can harden the heart of Pharaoh...whether it be by letting the enemy in or whatever means, then that lets me know He is in control...i prefer it that way!then there is Romans 9 15-18
indeed, He is not a God of futility, but does your definition of what futility is match His? but even though the attempt to warn His people appears futile to you because nobody listened, He sent Jeremiah out there anyway.
do you not know that this is talking about nations and not persons?Quote:but what are nations made up of though bro if not people? did Edom not come forth from Esau? Did Israel not come from Jacob?
but what are nations made up of though bro if not people? did Edom not come forth from Esau? Did Israel not come from Jacob?
Quote:Your are saying that GOD save us even if we don't obay to chooseno actually i'm saying we are saved by God and obey Him because we are called by Him. Once He has called us there is no going back.
Your are saying that GOD save us even if we don't obay to choose
Quote:......Obediance and faith are not works, for that is what must be done in order to be saved!the thing is obedience and faith are attained becausewe are saved. i'll concede we have some measure of obedience and faith before we are saved .....
......Obediance and faith are not works, for that is what must be done in order to be saved!
i see...two "sides" here... but i dont think what side one sides on matter to our salvation... but some intresting stuff...