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Intimacy with the Father, is it not the same as living obediently to His Word in Christ, moment by moment? If not, how?



Change some words around and make that apply to a loving wife and what she considers to be a loving giving relationship with her husband. As what her face used to sing, "Whats love got to with it"? Indeed what does love have to do it but everything.

Think [study] much about Jesus' own relationship with the Father. That's what He want [b]in[/b] us.

Thanks much for your kind words.

Sincerely,

:-Drm

 2006/6/26 21:02









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You are saying that the wedding garment is the government of God also then, right?



No, I'm not saying but yet if you were to ask whether or not the yoke and the garment were part of the love to the Father I would say, yes. Relationship that He honors is rooted in that.

Btw, whatever happened to that guy after he got kicked out?

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The yoke is the "Shama" which means to "hear". Deut.6.4: "Hear o Israel.....".


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WHere do you get this

Context. Also Strongs........[i]and insight[/i]

(1033b); a prim. root; to hear:— announce(2), announced(3), announces(3), completely(1), comprehends(1), diligently(1), discern(1), disregarded*(1), gave heed(2), give earnest heed(1), given heed(2), hear(270), hear*(1), heard(363), heard for certain(1), hearing(5), hears(33), heed(5), heeded(2), indeed obey(1), keep on listening(1), listen(226), listen attentively(1), listen carefully(3), listen closely(1), listen obediently(2), listened(52), listening(12), listens(7), loud-sounding(3), made a proclamation(1), make his heard(1), make their heard(1), make them known(1), make themselves heard(1), make your heard(1), obedient(1), obey(32), obey*(14), obeyed(21), obeyed*(5), obeying(6), obeys(1), overheard(1), pay heed(1), proclaim(15), proclaimed(6), proclaims(1), reported(3), sang(1), show(1), sound(2), sound*(1), sounded(1), summon(2), summoned(2), surely hear(1), surely heard(1), truly obey(1), understand(7), understanding(1), understood(1), witness(1).

Now, whatta think, see anything in there that stirs yer interest?

Thanks,

;-)rm

 2006/6/26 21:06
Logic
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Ormly wrote:

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"Take my yoke [my wedding garment]


Then you said
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The yoke is the "Shama" which means to "hear".

Then you said,
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The yoke is the government of God.


So, if His yoke is His wedding garment, then the wedding garment is the Shama and the Shama is the government of God.

Also, I asked, "where do you get this".
I didn't mean where do you get the Shama, but I meant, where do you get the yoke being the Shama?

Is it that we must preach the Gosple and the Kingdom of God and they must "shama"?
The Kingdom of God being the government of God.

 2006/6/26 22:08Profile









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Logic wrote:
Ormly wrote:
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"Take my yoke [my wedding garment]


Then you said
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The yoke is the "Shama" which means to "hear".

Then you said,
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The yoke is the government of God.


So, if His yoke is His wedding garment, then the wedding garment is the Shama and the Shama is the government of God.

Also, I asked, "where do you get this".
I didn't mean where do you get the Shama, but I meant, where do you get the yoke being the Shama?

Is it that we must preach the Gosple and the Kingdom of God and they must "shama"?
The Kingdom of God being the government of God.



Your last question is very accurate of my thinking but not all. I apologise to you [and any one else]for any unclearness of what I am attempting to get out of me. I see in these scriptures more than I am presently able to put into words.

Since what you repeated back is fairly accurate, permit me to put it yet another way:

The sinner becomes converted and is happy until he finds out the true requirement[s] of Christian life that crosses him and he doesn't read or is taught, that part of the Bible. While seeing the necessity of being a Christian for salvation he does not see or whether he does see it nevertheless is not willing [refuses] to give up his "self" lifestyle to have intimacy with the Lord, his love is not great enough.. You see, in his mind, he really wasn't a "bad" sinner and what "little" badness there was is taken care every sunday when he redicates his life by going forward at the call from the pulpit, setting the example for others by his "humility".. After all he is told all Christians sin everyday, so "why should he be expected to be an exceptional one". Or perhaps his being on the church board for helping poor orphans masks his true spiritual deficiency. After all, he wouldn't be chosen to be on the board if he wasn't spiritually qualified? Now the call to evangelise is also the order of the day and he likes hanging out with the "boys" playing cards every week down at the local social club. He now uses the "evangelism mask" for justifying the pleasuring of his "self" .. Well he thinks, Jesus hung out with sinners and was considered to be a wine bibber by some, why not me? But deep in his still "masked" rebelious heart are the words: "I will not wear that wedding garment". "I will do my own thing"....And "Jesus will forgive me". So he either refuses to receive one or if he has one, leaves it home lest he be embrassed. [see Matt.25.1-13 for further understanding of this]


Can you see where I'm going with this, Logic?

This is where the eternal security folk have problems. And I do to to a point because the Bible says this :
[i]"How shall [u][b]we[/b][/u] escape if [u][b]we[/b][/u] neglect so great a salvation?[/i]........ Hebrews 2:3
.....Notice it doesn't say "reject" but "neglect".

[i]See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will [u][b]we[/b][/u] escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.[/i][the Holy Spirit] .......Hebrews 12:25 (NASB-U)


The wedding garment is intimacy with the Master in whom we [b][u]will[/u][/b] see the necessity of His Yoke......All this for His pleasure that we become begotten sons unto Him and enjoy His banqueting table forever. Eye hasn't seen, ear hasn't heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man what the Master has prepared for those who love Him and honor Him. When it does, "self" will be crucified.

"The Lord Jesus Christ is the first and the last. We were in Him at the first and will be in Him at the last. Between the first and the last we are in the world. The first and the last He is responsible for, the between is our responsibility. It is given to us to become as He is. Without a vision of the last we will not become. The vision of the last is implanted in us from the first. A revelation of the first brings the vision of the last that will sustain the in-between."....Ken Hepting

Hope this all helps,

In Him

Orm

A thought pops into my thinking........

In Revelations we read this:
Rev. 6:11 (KJV)
[i]And [b]white robes were given unto every one of them[/b] and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.[/i]

Is literal death here spoken of them or death to "self" implied as in those who have overcome their old Adamic natures, i.e., the "way of the Cross in each presently there and those yet to "die" by it, whom they wait for?

And then is this perhaps spoken of the blacksider:

Rev. 7:13-14 (KJV)
[i]And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? [14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have [b]washed their robes[/b], and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.[/i]

Hmmm--- I wonder.







 2006/6/27 7:22
mamaluk
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Orm,

I enjoyed this admonishing post.

This whole doctrine of 'easy-beliefism' and 'free grace'(costly to our Christ) seem to have corrupt the lifestyles of many in recent years.
Surely, in the end, every individual will be held accountable with every bit of grace and Blood one claims and abuses thereafter.

Thanks Orm, do share more, sincerely

 2006/6/27 10:25Profile
Logic
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Exelent post Ormly!

I think literal death here spoken of them in [b]Rev. 6:11[/b], but, it is worth looking into.

I will do a study on Rev. 6:11 & Rev. 7:13-14.

I hope I may bounce my thought off you.

 2006/6/27 10:48Profile









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Thanks to you both for you kind words. I sense in you as being straight arrows for Jesus.

Logic, you asked this:

"Is it that we must preach the Gosple and the Kingdom of God and they must "shama"?
The Kingdom of God being the government of God."

I believe yes is the only answer to both parts of your question since the "good news" is combination of the two messages found in Jesus Christ... and this to be part of the watching and waiting for His return.

Incidently the word "watch" infers giving up your will. Ever been in the arm services?

;-)rm

 2006/6/27 17:55





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