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W_D_J_D
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How do i help someone who is a professing Christian who is currently suffering with this life crippling state?????

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God bless u all

 2006/6/16 7:20Profile
enid
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To be honest, I personally do not have any short fast answers to this one. But I do know of Christians who were hospitalised for depression, and were taking medication for it. For my part, it looks bad on the body of Christ when Christians have to be treated by the world in order to have their minds put right. We are supposed to have the mind of Christ. Is this what that Scripture means? I guess we would all say no to that one. But we do have to question it's origin. For that matter, what is depression, how do you define it? We are suppose to give answers to the world, not more questions about life. How can you witness, verbally for Christ, when you are in a hospital taking medication for depression? Somehow, you have to question that. I have. I still do.

 2006/6/16 7:33Profile









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The LORD has told me recently that I could have easily have INSTANTANOUSLY delivered you and I have and will continue to do so in the lives of those whom I choose to do so with. But for YOU, I have chosen to work thru you My ways, I have driven out many things, little by little. I want you to understand somethings, by wisdom I have stretched out the heavens, by understanding I have established them. Tho we shall walk together in the shadow of death you shall come forth as gold. You are my workmanship, created for good works.

But I say, but LORD I do not see any of these things, and His reply, "because your in darkness, the shadow of death sorrounds you, but have you not read how that I seperated the light from the darkness, I will do this in your life. YOU shall become a testimony and it shall be broadcasted that I am a God that changeth not and I live and rule and riegn in the hearts of men down here on earth. This generation will know that I am not dead, but very much alive and as I live you shall live also.

Karl

Dear brother,

Thank you so much for sharing this with us. My heart truly rejoices for this precious word from the Lord to you. Amen and amen.

'Tho we shall walk together in the shadow of death you shall come forth as gold. You are my workmanship, created for good works... as I live you shall live also.'

These are [i][b]wonderful[/b][/i] words! Thank you, Lord.

 2006/6/16 8:07
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How do i help someone who is a professing Christian who is currently suffering with this life crippling state?????



Dear W_D_J_D,

I wish there was an easy answer to this question. However, there is not. I have known depression myself, and have dealt with many others who have suffered from this. My mother has been diagnosed as being bipolar. For many years, my family thought it was due to the Devil attacking her. However, after she was saved, she still suffered from bouts of depression.

Being such, it is very important that we classify two types of depression. There is physical depression and spiritual depression. Both produce the same results in a person, and as such, it may not be easy to figure out which one a person is suffering from.

PHYSICAL DEPRESSION

This depression occurs from a chemical imbalance in the body. The person has a physical illness or disability. If you were to fall sick with the flu, it is not a spiritual problem, but merely a physical problem. You could be at the peak of spiritual wellness, and yet still fall victim to an illness. The same is true with someone who has physical depression. The problem is simply biological in some way resulting from an upset in the body.

As such, it is also important to classify two version of physical depression. I am not sure of the technical names, but there is permanent depression and temporary depression. For instance, a person may be born with depression and suffer from depression all their life. Or, a person may suffer from a bout of depression temporarily brought about by a change in their chemcial balance.

A person who is born with depression has a permanent chemical balance and must suffer through it their whole life. Medications can be helpful in this, but not always. It is a struggle to have a family member who is born with this sort of mental illness. This is the case with my mother. Sadly, depression is not something easily identified or understood, and often can cause children to become extremely confused. It is really important for children born to mentally ill parents to understand that it is a physical condition much like being born retarded. The children should also seek counseling and have a strong social circle of adults for backup support.

A person who is suffering from a bout of depression does so due to physiological or environmental changes. For any and all people, physical health is important for maintaining strong mental health. It is important to eat on a regular basis and sleep on a regular basis. Also, beware of any and all drugs or foods digested into the system, especially those that directly effect the chemicals of the body. Each person has a unique chemical makeup, and each person may be effected differently by different drugs. For instance, my wife tried some birth control awhile back that caused her to become severely depressed. Once she was off the medication, she returned to normal. However, that month she cried every day in sadness. Likewise, caffiene and sugar intake can cause some people to be depressed. And most certainly, alcohol and drugs can cause long term bouts of depression in people, especially if they are used irregularly. For instance, if a person you know is smoking pot or drinking once every so often, this can cause them to become severely depressed as the body is constantly trying to adjust to the flux of chemicals.

Other changes can also bring about depression. If a person moves to a new climate, the body has to adjust to the new environment. This can cause depression. If the person sits too much, this can cause depression by a lack of inactivity. It is important to exercise for mental health. When the blood flows, the chemicals move through the body properly. The sun can affect the body as well as it affects the production of chemicals in the body. Other changes as well can cause physiological changes. If you can isolate the thing that causing the depression, you can then change it in order to overcome the depression.

SPIRITUAL DEPRESSION

Spiritual depression is obviously a spiritual problem relating directly to the person's relationship with God. For people who don't have Christ inside them, depression and anxiety is often a dominant trait in them. They try to mask it or hide from it by clinging to a false God. Some take up drugs and alcohol. Others, sadly enough, are completely satisfied with themselves. Still, I have never known a person who was from the Lord sleep well at night. How can anyone without God ever feel secure?

Christians, who have the Spirit and are born again, are not exempt from spiritual depression. We should not be depressed spiritually, however, we still suffer from bouts of depression.

I suppose, just like there is two forms of physical depression, there is also two forms of spiritual depression. A person who does not have Christ suffers from a permanent spiritual depression. They are born with the disease. However, a person who is born again in Christ, will only suffer from a temporary bout of depression. In Christ, they are perfected in Christ.

Spiritual depression is a case where the Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, inside a person is being depressed by the self. Another way to say this is simply this: the person is rejecting God through a lack of faith. The person is not fully and completely putting their trust in the Lord. Instead, they are turn toward themselves or the world.

Truly, spiritual depression is an act of immense selfishness. Instead of trusting in Christ, who lives and dwells inside of them, instead of relying on His grace and power, the person looks at the self and begins to trust in the self. Sometimes, a person may do this and not show any signs of depression because the self doesn't fail them at first. Instead, a person like this thinks really highly of him or herself. They are really prideful and arrogant. They think they are on top of the world. The think, "I am great. Look at what I have done."

However, once that person faces failure, they can quickly enter into a period of sadness where they grieve the loss of self. The person will then go around thinking, "I am worthless. Look at how terrible I am. Look at what I have done." In this state, the tradition signs of depression begin to show.

Sometimes, this spiritual depression can occur by not trusting in the Lord's promises and wanting instead immediate gratification. For instance, a person may become depressed because they have been praying and praying for the Lord to take away an illness like cancer. But it never happens. Or they pray for a new job and it never happens. The person becomes extremely depressed because they didn't get the relief they wanted. Instead, the person must focus their hope on the Lord Himself, realizing that the Lord put them there and will keep them there. If a person has cancer, the Lord allowed it and will help them through it. However, you may have to suffer immense physical pain for His sake. Or you may have to continue working that job you don't like for the sake of the Lord.

Sometimes, spiritual depression occurs because we refuse to give a sin over to Christ. We either strive to defeat it by our own power, or just plainly refuse to repent. In this case, we become depressed because we have denied the Spirit who is contending with us to do God's will.

Truly, however, at the core, we become depressed from a lack of trust in the Lord. When we stop trusting in the Lord, when our faith becomes weak, we will become depressed. We must learn to abide in Christ, so that He made abide in us. When Christ abides in us, we are filled with joy as joy is a fruit of the Spirit.

HELPING A FRIEND

When we have a friend or loved one who suffers from depression, we must truly give them our utmost love. This does not mean we try to make them happy. One of the largest errors people make is to confuse love with making another person happy. Rather, our goal must be to seek their best and encourage them to draw near to the Lord or seek help for a physical illness. In this case, love can sometimes be harsh and require some difficult moves on the part of the friend.

As a friend wanting to help, you must beware of several pitfalls. When a person suffers from spiritual depression and/or selfishness, you must beware of becoming their dependent. When a person is depressed, they often are in a state of seeking relief or happiness. No one wants to be depressed. And so, they are seeking a way out of it. The moment a person stops seeking, they give up hope and become suicidal. Otherwise, they are seeking. Spiritually, they are seeking God and don't realize it. Physically, they want relief. As a friend, you must be careful not to become their God. Modern Psychology terms this co-dependence. If you constantly try to make this person happy, there is a danger this person will become dependent on you for happiness. This is dangerous for not only the person you are trying to help, but for you. This person will drain the life from you.

If a person is in pain and they lie around complaining about it, don't pity them. Don't sit there and go, "I know, it's terrible. You shouldn't have to suffer." This will only cause them to complain more. Instead, show them how other people who suffered in pain endured through the pain to give God glory. This may require a little research and study on your part. Find encouraging stories where people have grown in faith by suffering for the Lord's sake. The bible is full of these stories.

Also, always, always turn them toward Jesus for help. Let them know you can't help, but Jesus can. Truly, only the Lord is capable of carrying such a burden. I can remember trying to make my mother happy, and she would continually call me so that I could make her happy. This neither helped her, and caused me to be depressed. Now, I constantly direct her to the Lord for happiness. And now, she calls me with wonderful stories of joy.

Another pitfall to beware is joining them. Often times, you can encourage the behavior of depression by validating their selfishness or depression. You can join them by wallowing in sadness with them. You can make them worse by justifying or excusing their behavior. When this happens, they never seek a change but instead stay constantly depressed.

Rather, in love, you need to be honest with them. Do not let them wallow in sadness, especially in the case of selfishness. If they are wallowing in self-pity, tell to stop whining and remind them about the needs of others. Show them how worse off other people are. Help encourage them and direct them to the Lord. This will be difficult for you often times, because people will become upset with you. Especially when you tell them to give or help others. When a person is acting in selfishness, they will become angered when they are told to give. They will say, "What about me? I can't give to others. I have needs. Who will meet my needs?" However, continue to pray and show them how giving is the greatest gift of joy we have. When we give to the Lord, He blesses us with more in return.

Remember this: you can't force anyone to seek out help. When a person is suffering from depression, they must hit a point when they realize there is a problem. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Pray for them, that the Lord will open their heart and mind to this plague that effects them. Give up all your concern to the Lord, and ask Him to be your stronghold through this difficult time. Pray for your loved one, and encourage them to seek out the Lord for help.

I hope this helps.

In love,
Blake


PS....A good book for anyone who is learning to abide in Christ, struggling in spiritual depression, or seeking to grow in faith is called "The Christian's Secret to a Happy Life" by Hannah Whitall Smith.


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 2006/6/16 10:46Profile









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A friend of mine who is dynamic in her walk. She is a walking encouraging machine. Her faith is in action, not works and she is an example in the community. Yet in her weakness, she finds herself being checked into the psychatric ward of the hospital. Why? She has told me that she has a disorder in that she can't sleep for days perhaps weeks. She goes to the hospital because there she knows she'll get the sleep she needs, there she'll sleep for a week. This is what she told me, but I just heard recently from a friend of mine that she told him that her husband is driving her crazy.

So there are multiple forms of depression, some are spiritual and some are food related, not getting the proper nutrition.

I have looked at dreaming Joseph how he spent all those years in prison. People not understanding him, and misunderstanding him. I know what that is like, it's frustrating to no end. You can't speak for fear of being misunderstood, so we stay silent. But when the reason comes, man oh man the wieght is lifted, you see why.

Jesus was depressed in the garden, but prayed and continued to pray. When He was about to die, He felt the rejection from the Father, as the sin bearer became seperated outside the camp. But when it was over, when the reason why comes, the joy that was set before Him, you endure anything and everything.

I think of Jeremiah sinking in the pit of dispair, we think that we would have rejoiced, maybe, maybe not. He had a whole nation against him, he stood before Kings, princes, nobles only to have them laugh him to scorn, put down, knocked down, spat upon. He was an insult to their word of faith thinking that all is well and all shall be well.

Nothing is new under the sun.

Karl

 2006/6/16 12:31
ccchhhrrriiisss
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Hi Combat_Chuck...

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Combat_Chuck wrote:
check out the book of Jonah sometime. He has weirrrrd mood swings.

I don't know why, but that comment made me laugh out loud! Thanks!

:-)


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 2006/6/16 12:34Profile









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Deltadom,

I recently learned from personal experience that depression can be caused by allergies, as well as the more frequently noted causes. Allergy meds (Zertec D, in my case) seem to work well, while antidepressants made me feel wacky and provided little or no relief.

Bub

 2006/6/16 20:04
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Charles Spurgeon used to suffer from depression badly that he would not even want to leave his bed. His wife used to post views on the wall above the bed from the Psalms to encourage him.

These bouts would come on him suddenly and would be after a long period of work. Depression states are not those that should be desirable to stay in. The Joy in the Holy Spirit is opposite this emotion and would should not allow the devil, the world and the flesh to rob us of this joy. Hold fast to that which thou hast...


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 2006/6/16 20:35Profile
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 Re: How many people here suffer from depression

I used to suffer from constant depression, especially when I would look at the current state of many churches. (Seriously) It would greive me and make me sick to my stomach. I worked on staff at some churches, so I was in a continual state of depression at the mess. Then I'd listen to Leonard Ravenhill's stuff, and realize that I wasn't that off base. I'm prone to depression anyway, never been medicated though.
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 2006/6/17 10:28Profile
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I think the times I thought I was going through a depression I really believe now it was just God humbling me. :-)


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