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 Has the church missed the real war?

[u][b]To Make War[/b][/u]

Andy Zoppelt

Jesus made this statement concerning John the Baptist to the people, “What did you come out to see?” Well, what did we come out to see? What are we looking for? What is it all about? Why are we here? What is our relationship with one another? What is at the top of our agenda?

We are too often driven by some agenda, some issue, some place of prominence, etc.. What is the driving issue that drives us Christians in America: Theology, people, preachers, possessions, buildings, conditions, situations, feelings, meetings? What did we come [b][u]out of[/u][/b] the world to see? Did we enter the kingdom to see how independent or indifferent we can be? Did we come out of the world to receive those things that will benefit us individually in scriptures? Are we being subtly driven by our insecurities to be somebody important? Is it just about going to heaven or hell and the finding the right doctrine to get there?

In Rev 19:11, is speaks of Jesus, “In righteousness He judges and [u]makes war[/u].” Christianity knows little or nothing of the purpose of war outside of us killing one another.

[b][u]Let me tell you a war story.[/u][/b]
I was drafted in the military in September 25, 1961. I ended up in the 101st Airborne division (paratroopers). I was a military policeman stationed in Ft Campbell, Ky. I was 24 years old at the time. Those of us who served in the military knew quite well why we were there. We weren’t looking for some great meeting to attend. We weren’t looking for some building to be erected or some special program… we were there to defend our country and to be ready to make war if situations so called for it. There were times when our outfit, the 101st, was called to be first ready, alert to immediately go anywhere in this world if necessary. We had to be ready in minuets to fly out and jump in at any place and at any time were there was a threat to the peace and welfare of this country.

We all knew why we were there. Our uniforms, our strips our insignias’ and our patches outwardly spoke of what our position would be in the conflict. I never got beyond the rank of a PFC, so you know I was not something special as far as rank goes, but as a military policeman on duty, I held the rank of the commanding officer on base to maintain “his” authority on base. We all knew our place and we knew our limits, it was demonstrated everywhere… you couldn’t miss it. We were drilled and practiced and prepared for it.

It was not about information and competition with one another, it was about being a soldier. Our divisions were never divisions that divided us, but united us in conflict. Though there were foot soldiers, the army, the marines, the air force and the navy, we were there [u]to support[/u] one another. We might have had our fights in the bars, but not on the battle field. We knew we needed one another if we were going to win.

After duty we would often go off base to a restaurant near by and fellowship with one another. At other times at night we would stay on base and go to one of the clubs; we would drink and dance and spend time together. But we all knew that was not our purpose for being there at Fort Campbell? It was an overwhelming understanding that we were there as fighting men and women ready to make war if necessary. We were all one with one objective. Let me inject something here, to this day I am proud to have served as an airborne soldier. I am proud of our relationships we had and the security we found in those relationships. (You can see my photo at ) I wish I could say the same since I have been a Christian. Often I am ashamed to be associated with what has come to be known as “the church.” The stories and accusations are endless and I need not say much here; our wounded brothers and sister are everywhere. Many have been taken captive by the enemy and we helped the enemy to do so.

When I came to the Lord some 42 years ago, I expected to find Jesus, love and a trust in my fellow brothers and sisters. But I quickly found we had no purpose, no overwhelming reason to be here and I had no recognition of one another on the basis of our place of support. It was all about Sunday meetings and pew occupation and doctrine.

In the military we had no choice which bed we slept in or who slept next to us. We had no choice of where we were going to stay or which platoon we were going to be in. We couldn’t choose our company commander or base general. We got into scraps now and then, but what choices did we have? We knew that when war broke out, all the other wars had to be pushed aside. The man you hated yesterday may be the man that drags your wounded body off the battle field tomorrow… we knew our main purpose.

I wasn’t in first platoon today and then I would decide to move to fourth platoon tomorrow. I didn’t run from 1st battalion to 2nd battalion as I liked. I never thought of these choices. Why? I clearly understood the purpose, the plan and my place

When trouble came and we were to move out, I didn’t reach out across the isle and stab my fellow soldier, I put on my gear and together we boarded the plan and jumped in the midst of the conflict. They dropped in our military police jeeps and off we went to bring about order. Every man knew what to do. They never asked me if I wanted to go out on patrol with Joe or Sam, or who I liked… No! I had no choice because of the conflict and the importance of bringing peace. If I lost my life, the greater cause was worth more than the individual cause. It was often understood that the military could get a person and in four years give him a career and make something out of him. In the church after 20 years we are often too much the same if not worse.

That’s the military; let’s look at what “we” call the church. And please hear me, I am not trying to be critical, but let’s look at what we are doing in representing His name and where we are in fighting this conflict which we all find ourselves.

We often find ourselves looking for things that satisfy us personally or something that will minister to our agenda or something that supports our personal group. No one dare even try to get between what we want and where we want to be, we will quickly exit that relationship and run off to some “other church” or just stab them in the back with our mouth. We too freely talk about one another and fight with one another. We have no concept of the bigger war which we are losing each day. We think as Christians we are here to name and claim bible verses and to establish our kingdom. We think we are here to learn about the bible and to argue with one another. We think we are here to find the best church to go to or the best meeting to attend. We think we can restore the church by clinging to some biblical aspect or concept. We lift up speakers and not warriors. We set up our divided camps and then have nothing to do with one another. We think we are going to the best church and others believe they are going to the best church. But do we see what is going on underneath all this? Why do we not know our true purpose? We Christians just don’t have any encompassing purpose... we have long since lost our vision and our divisions are competive and not complimentary. Oh how it wounds my spirit to see us this way. We just can’t seem to get the picture. Many are just dead and attend a church out of ritual rather than purpose. I often feel like Jeremiah and cry over our indifference and ignorance. My tears have filled my pillow many nights over our deceptions. I am not proclaiming to be any better; it is our sin that is killing us.

Brothers and sisters, this is only a dress rehearsal for the main event and few see it. With the following scriptures I will quit, I am sure you know what I am saying… the evidence and the accusation are in our faces. We clearly don’t know our purpose and calling. The following says it all about war.

Rev 12:7-8, “And [b][u]war broke out in heaven[/u][/b]: Michael and [u]his angels[/u] fought with the dragon; and the dragon and [u]his angels[/u] fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer.” NKJV

Rev 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and [b][u]he went to make war[/u][/b] with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” NKJV

Rev 13:6-7, “Then he [the beast] opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted [u][b]to him to make war with the saints[/b][/u] and to overcome them.” NKJV

Rev 17:13-14, “These [10 kings] are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast. [b][u]These will make war[/u][/b] with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful." NKJV

Rev 19:11, “Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges [b][u]and makes war[/u][/b].” NKJV

Rev 19:19-20, “And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and [u]their armies[/u], gathered together [b][u]to make war[/u][/b] against Him who sat on the horse and against [u]His army[/u]. Then the beast [b][u]was captured[/u][/b], and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.” NKJV

Tell me now; do we know our main purpose?

This article will be followed by World War two: our corporate warfare.

I deeply pray you will see that we have fully missed the mark.


Mike Balog

 2006/6/11 11:04Profile

Joined: 2006/2/11
Posts: 2895
Philadelphia PA

 Re: Has the church missed the real war?

"Do we not need a very much greater conception,
of how tremendously valuable a true expression of
the Church is to the Lord; it's priceless. The Lord give us more of this anguish for His Church as a whole, and then, it will be precious to Him."


Christopher Joel Dandrow

 2006/6/11 12:47Profile

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