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h2oboy
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Brother Logic,
This is the passage that I have used to teach the concept of sin and lawlessness. So many today think that all they have to do to be righteous or holy is keep a set of rules. As you so clearly explained this passage is dealing with the heart. Anomia is the attitude "I have the right to make my own choices, no one is going to tell me what to do." Lawlessness is abundant in many Christian circles because we have preached a Gospel of a Savior but very little about a Lord.

Thanks for discussing.
Jeff


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 2006/3/19 16:15Profile
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"""Why didn't He know them?
He never approved the things that they were doing in His name."""

Even a little more, He was not the power in the things they were doing, If He was not in them How could He know them. "Christ in you the Hope of Glory.

In Christ: Phillip


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Amen, they love the porwer of the Lord but not the Lord of the power.
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The have the form of godlyness but lack the power there of.
There is a diference between the power of the lord and the power of godlyness.

The power of godlyness is greater and more valueable.

 2006/3/19 23:52Profile
rookie
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Brother Logic wrote:

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The have the form of godlyness but lack the power there of.
There is a diference between the power of the lord and the power of godlyness.




Paul warns Timothy who is the pastor of the Ephesian church...

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power.

Here these men deny the power of God...

Here these men blaspheme the Holy Spirit...

What can be learned from Paul's teaching?

In Christ
Jeff


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 2006/3/20 12:23Profile
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Brother Logic wrote:

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The have the form of godlyness but lack the power there of.
There is a diference between the power of the lord and the power of godlyness.




Paul warns Timothy who is the pastor of the Ephesian church...

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power.

Here these men deny the power of God...

Here these men blaspheme the Holy Spirit...

What can be learned from Paul's teaching?

In Christ
Jeff


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 2006/3/20 12:24Profile
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rookie wrote:

Here these men blaspheme the Holy Spirit...


This is all true but they only blaspheme God, Jesus, or anything holy but not the Holy Spirit.

Unsaved people wouldn't blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

That is when one knows something is of the Holy Spirit but one calls it evil.
Unsaved people wouldn't recognize anything from the Holy Spirit to blaspheme Him.

Unless God is already dealing with them to be saved and they have a knowledg of Him but as they harden their heart to the point that God Hikmself hardens their heart.

 2006/3/20 13:42Profile
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Brother wrote:

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That is when one knows something is of the Holy Spirit but one calls it evil.
Unsaved people wouldn't recognize anything from the Holy Spirit to blaspheme Him.



To be called a blasphemer, is similar to taking the Lord's name in vain. They claim they are members of the body of Christ, yet by their actions, they deny the power of the Holy Spirit to transform them so that they might be saved.

5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.

I write this to highlight what repentance brings into the lives of those who live by faith. Repentance begins with God always. A believer will always find that his mind and heart needs to repent of the ways that God has revealed to him. He is given the choice to obey or disobey. John writes of this in 1 John:

6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

1John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

This teaching by John is not being realized in those who Paul warns Timothy of in the church of Ephesus.

In Christ
Jeff


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Brother Matt wrote:

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thus repentance leads to a new mind and that new mind leads to further repentance as we see with our new mind what our sin truelly means.



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But there is more in this passage we see WHY the Lord wants to forgive us:

V.52 That thine eyes may be open unto the supplication of thy servant, and unto the supplication of thy people Israel, to hearken unto them in all that they call for unto thee.





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"God will lighten our eyes and give us a little reviving in our bondage"




Prov. 13:12 Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
But when the desire comes, it is a tree of life.

Hope deferred makes the heart sick....how does this verse relate to what Brother Matt has written?

In Christ
Jeff


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2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Who's repentance?

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Who's forgiveness? Who's cleansing? Why?

In Christ: Phillip


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Brother Phillip wrote:

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Who's forgiveness? Who's cleansing? Why?



1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


The work of Jesus is that which this Scripture speaks of in these words...

"to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

The renewing of the mind, the softening of the heart, these things are available to those who confess their sins...

What is the manifestation of this work of the Holy Spirit?

This manifestation reveals The King of Righteousness, The King of Peace... to the inner man.

Prov. 13:12 Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
But when the desire comes, it is a tree of life.

Hope deferred speaks of the things we do that seperate us from the Lord...the deceit of sin heardens the heart...the heart is sick...

Repentance allows the desire for God to grow in us, it reveals to us the "Life" that grows in us. The growth of the "life" in us resembles the growth of a tree. It begins as a seed, yet it becomes a wonderous work that testifies of the glory of God...

In Christ
Jeff


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