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 Bible Quiz-are you ready?

Get out your Old King James Bible, as well as one of the newer versions (NIV, NASV, RSV etc will do) and answer the following 20 questions:

Bible Quiz-----20 Questions

Bible Question #1: How many Gods are there?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

We know there is only 1 God. "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord" (De. 6:4).

Now, turn to Daniel 3:25. In this verse, Shadrach, Messach and Abednego have been thrown into the fiery furnace. However, they are not
alone. Another one (a fourth) is there to help them.

Look at this verse in a 'modern version'. (Notice: the wording in each 'modern version' will differ from others. But, those small
differences, will not materially affect this report).

Suffice it to say that, at the end of Daniel 3:25, the 'modern' version has a reading similar to the following:

"... and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods..."
A son of the gods?! There is only 1 God!

Look at this same verse in your King James Bible. The Authorized (KJ) Bible says:

"... and the form of the fourth is like THE SON OF GOD". i.e. Jesus
Christ.

It was Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, who was with Shadrach, Messach and Abednego. Jesus protected them from the fiery
furnace; and it's Jesus who will protect you and me from the fiery furnace (i.e. hell).

Now, who would think there is more than 1 God? Well, Satan does.

Remember what he said to Eve in Genesis 3:5 ?

"... ye shall be as gods ..."!

Satan believes there is more than 1 God as he believes that HE is
EQUAL to God.


Bible Question #2: Who was Jesus' father?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The answer, of course, is that God was Jesus' father.

Let's look in a 'modern' version of the Bible, at Luke 2:33.

Starting in Luke 2:27 Simeon has gone into the temple to see the baby Jesus (who is with Joseph and Mary). Again, depending on the
particular 'modern' version, in verse 33, it will say something similar to:

" ... and his FATHER and mother were amazed at the things which were spoken of him" [i.e. of Jesus].

What do you mean "... and his father ..." was amazed at the things which were spoken of him?! Jesus' father was NOT Joseph! Jesus'
father was God!

Now, let's look in the Authorized King James Bible. The KJV has the correct reading; in Luke 2:33 it says:

"And JOSEPH and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him".

For a 'modern' version ( NIV, NASV, RSV etc.) to say Joseph was Jesus' father is blasphemy!

Think about the doctrinal implications: If Jesus had only an earthly father and mother, then he is just any man. If he is just any
man, then we are still in our sins. If we are still in our sins, then we
are not saved! If we are not saved, then we have a big problem!


Bible Question #3: What was Jesus' purpose in coming to earth?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Turn to Matthew 18:11.

You may have a hard time finding this verse. In many new, 'modern', versions this verse is missing! The verses are numbered 10 then 12, 13,
14! Or you may find verse 11 is in brackets, casting doubt as to whether it is scriptural.

Let's see what the Authorized King James says:

"For the Son of man is come TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST."

This one verse, which summarizes Jesus' entire mission to earth, is either ignored in 'new' versions; or it is put in brackets casting doubt
on it! This verse contains a KEY piece of Christian doctrine.

People have to know they are lost, i.e. that they have a problem, to know they need a saviour.


Bible Question #4:
Noah was a great man used by God to build the Ark. To be called for such a task required Noah to be approved by the Lord, God. So, how was Noah 'justified' before God? Was Noah's justification by his own works?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For the answer, turn in your Bible to Genesis 6:8.

In a 'modern version' it says something like:

"Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord."

Now think what the word favor implies. Favor implies that Noah was 'better' than others. Favor implies Noah was approved by God because of his own 'good works'.

Now compare that to the KJV. It says:

"Noah found GRACE in the eyes of the Lord".

Even though Noah was used of God, he was also in need of grace (just like all of us). Noah was NOT justified by his good works, but by
God's grace.

Look at verse 9: It says Noah walked with God. Notice that Noah's walk with God occurs, in verse 9, AFTER Noah received grace from God, in
verse 8. Grace precedes our walk with God. We are NOT justified (NOR saved) by our own works.

Remember, Noah got drunk on occasion (Gen 9:21). He was in need of God's amazing grace. We are, too.

The consistent theme of the Bible is that we are saved by God's grace and NOT by our own works. Grace and favor have two totally, different, meanings.

The Authorized King James Bible is consistent with the Bible's teachings. These 'modern versions' are not.


Bible Question #5: Why did Jesus Christ go to the cross?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Let's look at 2 verses. Turn to 1st Peter 4:1.

In a 'modern' version it says: "... Christ suffered ..."

In your Authorized King James Bible the full reading is quoted as:

"... Christ suffered FOR US."

Notice the last two words give the FULL meaning. Leaving out "for us" misses the point entirely!

This is confirmed again in 1 Corinthians 5:7b.

In many 'new' versions it says:

"For Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed."

Again, the full reading is found in the King James Bible. It says:

"For even Christ our passover is sacrificed FOR US."


Bible Question #6: How did Jesus' going to the cross bring our redemption?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A 'modern' version will NOT tell you how! (in Colossians 1:14). It says (of Jesus):

"in whom we have redemption ..."

The full Christian doctrine is only included in the King James reading of the same verse. Properly stated, it says (of Jesus):

"In whom we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD ..."

Without the shedding of blood there is NO remission of sins.
Leaving out "the blood" misses a key point of doctrine (and leaves us in our sins).


Bible Question #7: Who does Jesus "call" and what does he "call" them to do?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The questions are getting harder!

Open a 'modern' version to Matthew 9:13b. It says something like:

"For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners".

Notice how the end of this verse begs the question: "... call the righteous, but sinners TO WHAT?"

Turn to the same verse in the King James Bible:

"... for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners TO REPENTANCE".

The last 2 words of this verse are crucial! In the end, Satan gets all the sinners who don't repent. Jesus gets all the sinners who do
repent. There is a big difference in those two eternal outcomes. And, there is a big difference in these two translations.

We are all sinners, and we must all repent, to be saved.

Bible Question #8: What happens to those who do not receive the testimony of Jesus Christ, i.e. what happens the those who do not receive the gift of everlasting life?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In many 'modern' versions you won't find out! This is because part of the verse is missing (in Mark 6:11). Let's turn there now.

A 'modern' version reads something like:

"... shake the dust off your feet when you leave, as a testimony against them."

However, the King James gives the full teaching:

"... shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU, IT SHALL BE MORE TOLERABLE FOR SODOM AND
GOMORRHA IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, THAN FOR THAT CITY".

I think you will agree that this verse contains important information we need to know!


Bible Question #9: After we repent, and are born again (come to saving grace), what else does Jesus command us to do? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There are many changes that come in our new birth/in our new nature, but the answer I'm looking for is this: We are to make a public
profession of faith. Then we are to be baptized, by immersion, in water.

Let's look in Acts chapter 8, verses 35-37.

In Acts 8:35 Philip, the Apostle, preached Jesus Christ to the eunuch. In verse 36 the eunuch realized his need to be baptized. The
eunuch then asks if he can be baptized.

Now, take a look at Acts 8:37 in a 'modern' version of the Bible. Many (but not all) 'modern' versions go from Acts chapter 8 verse 35, to verse 36, then to 38. 38?! Where is verse 37 you ask? And, what did verse 37 say?

This key verse, properly included in the King James Bible, tells us whom should be baptized. It says:

"... IF THOU BELIEVEST WITH ALL THINE HEART, THOU MAYEST." And he [the eunuch] answered and said: "... I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE
SON OF GOD."

Numbering verses 35, 36, and then 38 is NOT the new math!

These 'modern' versions, which leave out verse 37, are omitting the deity of Jesus Christ. Also, they are missing the key point: We must
make a PUBLIC profession of faith. We must believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. If we do not know, believe, and confess that Jesus
Christ is the Son of God, our baptism only 'gets us wet'. Leaving out verse 37 omits a major portion of Christian doctrine.

Omissions of doctrine and corruptions of doctrine are bad news. In both cases, the reader is NOT getting the correct information he/she
needs to know.

Bible Question #10: Can you recite the Lord's prayer?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Lord's prayer, taught to us by Jesus, and recorded in Luke 11:2-4 of the KJV, is as follows:

"... Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil."

Now turn to Luke 11:2-4 in a 'modern' version and re-read the Lord's prayer. The wording will be similar to:

"... Father, hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also
forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into
temptation".

Note this modern version states "Father" but then leaves out "...
WHICH ART IN HEAVEN ...". You don't know who you are praying to, your Father in heaven, or to Satan!

It also leaves out "our" as in OUR father. We were created by God who is "OUR" father. Satan is a father, but he is not "OUR" father.
Satan is the "father" of lies.

And this 'modern' version leaves out "THY WILL BE DONE, AS IN HEAVEN, SO IN EARTH". By leaving out the fact that we are praying to our
Father WHOSE WILL IS DONE IN HEAVEN, this 'modern' version is re-
directing your prayer away from God and toward someone or something else (in another place).

Lastly, there is a major omission in the last half of verse 4.
Verse 4 states: "And lead us not into temptation". But this verse then
leaves out: "... BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL ..."

Personally, I want to be delivered from evil! How about you?

I think the reader will agree: This 'modern version' is NOT the
"Lord's Prayer" you want to be praying!

Think about it.


Bible Question #11: After our new birth, how are we supposed
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ to relate to God?

Once we are born again we have a new standard for our lives; it is
Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us how we are to relate to him. Please
turn to Ephesians 5:1 . In a 'new' version it says:

"... be imitators of God ..."

Compare this to the Authorized King James:

"Be ye therefore FOLLOWERS of God ..."

Even though we are born again; can we possibly imitate God? Can we
be the judge of the Universe? Can we be at all places at the same time?
No way. We have a new nature, sure; but we are still only men.

Think about it: only Satan tries to imitate God!

Ever since the garden of Eden, Satan has tried to direct worship
toward HIMSELF. We, as men, could NEVER imitate God. We are only men. We
can only FOLLOW God!

Publishers of 'new', 'more up to date' versions are encouraging us
to be like Satan! (i.e. to think of ourselves as God).

Bible Question #12: While we're talking about Satan, now is
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ a good time to ask Bible question #12.
What does the Bible say is the test for
the antichrist?

Let's turn to 1st John 4:3 . A 'modern' version says:

"and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This
is the spirit of antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and
now it is in the world already."

Again, in 'modern' versions, key pieces of scripture are left out.
Compare this same verse with the FULL reading in the King James. In the
KJV it says:

"And every spirit that confesseth not that JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN
THE FLESH is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist,
whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in
the world."

Remember, evil spirits did confess Jesus. In Luke 4:34 (and in Mark
1:24) a man having a "spirit of an unclean devil" said to Jesus:

"... Let [us] alone; what have we to do with thee, [thou] JESUS of
Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the
Holy One of God."

Contrary to what 'modern' versions would tell you, the antichrist
DOES KNOW who Jesus is. But, what the antichrist CAN NOT say, is that:

"JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH".

Modern versions not only need to get their gospel straight; they
also need to correctly quote the true test for the antichrist.

Also, take a look at this: Compare 1st John 4:3 again between a
'modern' version and the King James Bible. Look one more time at what
the 'new' version says:

"... which does not confess Jesus is ..."

But, in the King James it says:

"... that confesseth not that Jesus CHRIST is ..."

Besides the doctrinal error, these 'modern' versions continually
assault the Lordship and Deity of Jesus Christ. If the King James says:
"Jesus Christ", many times the modern versions will only say: "Jesus".
If the King James says: "Lord Jesus Christ", many times the 'modern'
versions will only say: "Lord" or will only say: "Jesus".


Bible Question #13: In the wilderness, when Satan tempted Jesus
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ to turn a stone into bread for food; what
was Jesus' response?

Turn to Luke 4:4 . In a 'modern' version it reads: "... man shall
not live by bread alone".

Well, that's true and that's part of it. But, what about the rest of
the verse? Notice: words have been LEFT OUT in these 'modern versions'.

The Authorized (King James) Bible has the correct and full reading.
In Luke 4:4 it says:

"... man shall not live by bread alone, BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD".

The fact that we are nourished by bread is true, but that is only
part of the story. Our lives are sustained by the Word of God. We need
bread to sustain our bodies; but, these 'modern' versions leave out our
need for the life sustaining Word of God.


Bible Question #14: Whom does Jesus say has "everlasting life"?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For the answer; open your Bible to John 6:47.

In a 'modern version' it says something like: "... he who believes
has eternal life ..."

Notice how this does not make much sense. This verse does not have
enough information.

Compare this to the King James. In it, Jesus is quoted as saying:

"... He that believeth ON ME hath everlasting life."

Everyone who believes DOES NOT have everlasting life; only those
who believe ON JESUS. In John 6:47, the two words "ON ME" are vital.

Jesus Christ is the rock of our salvation. We must believe ON HIM
to have everlasting life. Again, key Christian doctrine is missing.

How can missing information be a 'better', 'improved', translation?


Bible Question #15: Who slew Goliath?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is an easy one!

Now turn to 2nd Samuel 21:19. Depending on the 'modern version' it
will say something like:

"... Elhanan ... killed Goliath ..."

What do you mean Elhanan killed Goliath!? This is wrong you say.
Most Sunday school children know that David slew Goliath! Well, you're
right. This is clearly in error.

Look at the same passage in your King James Bible. The Authorized
King James Bible has the correct reading which is:

"... Elhanan ... slew THE BROTHER OF Goliath ..."

Spiritually, as Christians, we are the equivalent of David.
Spiritually, Satan is the equivalent of Goliath. Just as David slew
Goliath (with a rock), we Christians are "more than conquerors" as we
have overcome (slew) Satan by the blood of the lamb (Jesus Christ, the
rock!) and by the word of our testimony. Not only are 'modern versions'
in error; but major doctrinal issues are involved here. Think about it.


Bible Question #16: Jesus said that our heavenly Father will
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ forgive us of our sins. However, we are
told that; likewise, there is something
we must do. Do you remember what it is?

Let's turn, in a 'modern version' to Mark 11:26.

Are you not able to find it? Are the verses in Mark chapter 11
numbered 23, 24, 25 and then 27!? Is verse 26 missing? Well, there is
nothing wrong with your eyesight! Verse 26 is not there (or it is in
brackets, casting doubt on it). It's ANOTHER omission.

Now turn to the same verse in your Authorized (King James) Version.
The KJV says:

"BUT IF YE DO NOT FORGIVE, NEITHER WILL YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN
HEAVEN FORGIVE YOUR TRESPASSES."

Oh, man! This is important to know!

Leaving out verse 26, leaves out an important piece of Christian
doctrine. Verse 26 needs to be there! And, that's why it is properly
included in your King James Bible.


Bible Question #17: What did Jesus say about religious
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hypocrisy?

First, let's take a look in a 'modern' version of the Bible. What
does it say in Matthew 23:14?

Actually, it says nothing! ( The verse is missing in many modern
versions ).

For the word of God, turn to the same verse in your King James
Bible. What does it say?

"WOE UNTO YOU SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, HYPOCRITES! FOR YE DEVOUR
WIDOWS' HOUSES, AND FOR A PRETENCE MAKE LONG PRAYER: THEREFORE YE SHALL
RECEIVE THE GREATER DAMNATION."

Jesus does not like hypocrisy. Notice how God knows our heart!


Bible Question #18: What did Jesus say we are to do relative
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ to each other?

For the answer see: James 5:16

Many 'modern' versions say something similar to:

"... confess your sins to one another ..."

( Notice this could lead to gossip and further sinning ).

But the King James says:

"... confess your FAULTS one to another ..."

Notice the 2 different words.

The Bible says that ONLY God can forgive sins. We are supposed to
confess our SINS to Him. We should confess our FAULTS to one another,
but SINS are confessed to God.

Faults and sins are entirely different.

Can you see how 'modern' versions have led Catholics astray? And,
if it has led Catholics astray; couldn't the same thing happen to us if
we, our spouse, our children, or our pastor, uses a 'modern' version?


Bible Question #19: Do modern 'versions' of the Bible have any
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ other problems?

Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

In the Bible, the New Testament sometimes re-quotes the Old
Testament. An example of this is in Mark 1:2

Compare the two Bibles again. In a 'new version' it says:

"As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, ..."

Compare this to the King James, it says:

"As it is written IN THE PROPHETS, ... "

Comment: The scripture quoted in Mark 1:2 DID NOT come from
Isaiah as stated in these 'modern' versions of the Bible. The scripture
quoted is from Malachi 3:1 ! Check it out.

Not only do 'modern' versions misquote God; they even misquote
themselves!

The KJV reading of: "As it is written IN THE PROPHETS, ... " is
correct, because the verse is from Malachi 3:1, and Malachi was a
prophet!

So far we have seen all kinds of problems in these 'new', 'modern',
'more easily readable', 'more up to date', etc. etc. versions of the
Bible. This leads to the last Bible question:


Bible Question #20: Why is it important to have the true Word
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ of God (vs. a corruption).

The answer, to our question, is found in 1 Peter 2:2. Please turn
there now.

In a 'modern version' it says:

"... long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up
to salvation; "

The King James Bible tells us to:

"... desire the SINCERE milk OF THE WORD, that ye may GROW
thereby:"

My comment is that this verse, in 'new', 'modern,' versions,
contains 2 problems:

First: We are to desire the sincere milk OF THE WORD. The purpose
is "to grow thereby". Modern versions leave out "OF THE WORD". It's
God's word that feeds us. If, like the modern verse, we leave out "the
word" how can we grow? Or, if we get a corrupted translation, how can
we grow on 'junk food'?

Second: Contrary to 'modern' versions, we DO NOT grow up to
salvation. That says salvation is by works! We are saved by grace, and
not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)

Think about it.

In this chapter, we reviewed the doctrine contained in a "broad"
array of 'new', 'modern', 'more easily readable', versions of the Bible.
We compared 'modern' doctrine to the KJV. And, we have found
significant error.

But, all 'modern' versions do not follow this 'broad' profile. So, in
the next chapter, we will analyze 3 versions

Stever cooncludes:

What Bible version teaches Doctrine, and which versions do not?

Something to think about.

God bless,

Stever

[b]Bible Quiz[/b]

 2006/1/11 1:13
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 Re: Bible Quiz-are you ready?

bro Stever
i have a question for you, is this thread to push the KJV in favour of newer versions? i don't own a kjv, i have a good news which the Lord has me make notes in, an NIV which the Lord has me use to cross-reference some things coz it has a commentary and of late the Lord has had me listen to the KJV. it's hard in that i end up having to translate some of the old englishe words so i can understand them in the current vernacular. i'm learning to understand it though. through this experience i've learned that it's not the text that is most crucial but the Spirit of God which breathed the Scriptures which is essential for without Him even if you have the perfect text, it is of no consequence. i didn't know that there were different streams of texts until last yr and i don't feel led to find out which line of text these versions i use comes from because at the end of the day the Spirit of God ministers to me as He hears from heaven. If the Lord is leading you to use the KJV only then by all means bro be obedient to that.


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 2006/1/11 10:59Profile
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Here is a link that is very important to this topic.

http://www.ibs.org/niv/accuracy/index.php

 2006/1/11 12:25Profile
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Here's a Chuck Smith message that exposes some of the problems of the "Alexandrian" texts and how two textual critics are largely to blame for spreading lies and deceit surrounding the Alexandrian texts.

Click here to download Part One (MP3):

http://server.firefighters.org/kjv/projects/firefighters/kjv_web/HisWord/word01.mp3

Part Two:

http://server.firefighters.org/kjv/projects/firefighters/kjv_web/HisWord/word02.mp3

-Chris


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 2006/1/11 14:08Profile









 Re:

IronMan

Quote:
I have a Good News which the Lord has me make notes in, an NIV which the Lord has me use to cross-reference some things coz it has a commentary and of late the Lord has had me listen to the KJV



Very nice Brother, I've had similiar experience, I started out in the Living Bible and read that over and over and the LORD led me to the KJV, I have another version the LAMSA which I refer to for a secondary opinion. But I don't subscribe to this bible bashing on those who don't read the KJV. I have found that when you try to knock someones faith, they dig in their heels even more, however I have also found that If I add to their faith then I've gained a friend. And as a friend I have much better chance of influencing him then if I were his enemy.

Blessings
LS

 2006/1/11 16:05
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The ESV rules!! :)

 2006/1/11 17:31Profile
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 Re: Bible Quiz-are you ready?

We must remember that any Bible translation is just that...a TRANSLATION. Now, I could not find in your post where you believe that God inspired the KJV and all the others are from the devil, as many KJV only people assert. I hope this isn't the case, b/c God chose Hebrew and Greek as the languages to speak to us, not English. The early church did not have the KJV...so how did they get along?

Anywho, some of your attempts to invalidate other translations are pretty weak in my estimate. I will address your quiz questions below.

1. 'gods' is perfectly legitimate translation and is not contrary to doctrine or even the context of the passage. Nebuchadnezar believed in multiple gods, and he is the one speaking. Seven verses earlier, the KJV renders the exact same Hebrew word as 'gods'. It was indeed Jesus Christ the Son of God in the fire with them, but Nebuchadnezar did not know God, and Jesus wasn't refered to as the Son until the New Testament.

2. The earliest manuscripts read 'father' not 'Joseph', and scholars seem to be split as to the better rendering. In verse 27 Luke uses the word 'parents' so 'father' here is not inconsistent with Luke's style. I think this is a weak example of translational differences.

3. Brackets do not cast doubt on whether it is scriptural, it simply is to point out that it is not found in a majority of Greek manuscripts. Evidence points to the fact that it was added to this section centuries after the original; maybe it should be there, maybe it shouldn't, but this is moot. This doctrine is clear throughout the NT, and is found verbatim in Luke 19:10.

4. I agree that 'grace' is probably a better rendering here, but I don't think context mandates that it means Noah was saved in v.8 but not in v.7. The KJV translates this Hebrew word as 'grace' about 60% of the time and 'favor' 40%. I don't think the meaning of the verse is changed. Whether he found grace or favor, he was the only one on earth with it and God saved only him and his family, so obviously it means Noah was saved, regardless of the word you choose. Our favor from God is unmerited, just as grace. But I will agree that grace is a better word.

5. some manuscripts have it, others do not. However, this is another doctrine explicitly found elsewhere, not omitted by any version.

6. This is a lot like #3. Nearly all manuscripts of the first several centuries omit this part of the verse. It was added much later. But again it is moot, b/c the NT is abundantly clear that remission is through His blood. The "omitted" section is found verbatim in Eph 1:7.

7. See #3, #6. Scholars are divided on whether it is original, but Lk 5:32 is clear.

8. See #3,6,7. Mt 10:15.

9. Mt 6

Now, I could keep going, but much of the arguments are the same. You keep arguing that the KJV gives the "full" teaching. Why is this so? B/c you want that to be the full teaching? You make the same flaws that all the 1611 people do. Circular logic. You assume KJV is right, compare the newer translations to it, and show how the KJV is right and the others are wrong b/c you like the KJV better. You cannot compare translations to see which is better. You must compare each translation to the available manuscripts.

Now, I will say in my study, I think the NASB and KJV are the two best translations, and often use both. Sometimes I like the KJV, sometimes the NASB. I do not use any others b/c they interpret text for you and are very inconsistent in their translation. But to say KJV is the only one is a tradition of man. God does not say He inspired the KJV. In fact, much of the KJV was copied from earlier English translations. And by the way, the original 1611 that people tout around included the apocrypha. So should we put that in our modern versions too?

just giving some perspective,
denver


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 Re:

This is what I received through the posting regarsing KJV vs. all other versions...

There is only one God
God is the Father of Jesus
Jeseus came to save that which is lost
Sinners are saved by God’s grace
Christ suffered for us
W/out the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins
We must repent to be saved
We will be burning in Hell w/out Christ as our Lord and Savior
Baptism happens after believing!
Our God is in heaven
We are delivered from evil through Christ (AMEN)
Follow Christ! (Oh, I cherish that thought)
Jesus Christ is Lord
Jesus came in the flesh
Our lives are sustained by the word of God
The foundation of salvation is to believe on Christ
In Christ we are more than conquerors, Satan is defeated!
We are to forgive others
God knows out heart
We need to hold each ohter accountable through Christ

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 2006/1/12 7:57Profile
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 Re: Bible Quiz-are you ready?

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Bible Question #1: How many Gods are there?



According to the King James there is ONE. AND according to the NIV there is ONE.

De. 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. NIV

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: KJV

John 17:3

(NIV)
"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

(KJV)
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

Clearly, the NIV teaches that there is one TRUE God and that he sent Jesus Christ.

I am still not convinced that the NIV is the inspired word of Satan as some would have us believe.

From my personal experience:

My father is a pastor and I spent 24 years under the teaching of the KJV. For 19 of it I was lost without a care to read the word. It was not my father's fault, it was not the KJV's fault...it was mine.
I became a christian at 19 yrs of age and struggled to understand the language of the KJV and did not get into daily bible study as I should have. Once again, this was my fault not the KJV.
When I was 24, I bought a NIV bible and my life has changed. I thought to myself..."I can actually understand this!!!"

I believe in the Sovereignty of God.
I believe God is the one and only God of the universe. He created all things.
I believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
I believe that all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God.
I believe that Jesus is the CHRIST and that he is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
I believe that no man may come to the Father except through Christ.
I believe that the Bible is the infallible, inspired word of God in the original manuscripts and that ALL translations were made by fallible men.

I study with the following bibles:
- NIV
- New Living Translation
- KJV
- NASB

I believe that all of the above bibles are wonderful bibles and are (as 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says), "God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work

 2006/1/12 10:16Profile
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Bible Question #2: Who was Jesus' father?
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The answer, of course, is that God was Jesus' father.

Both the KJV and NIV teach that God is the Father of Jesus.

Think about it, if the NIV had an agenda to deny the deity of Jesus Christ...would this verse be in there?

John 10:28-30 (New International Version)

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

Is the NIV trying to convince us that Joseph has "given them to me" and "is greater than all"?

 2006/1/12 11:16Profile





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