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"" The result of this wisdom creates a new man, a righteous man.

The mystery of the ministry of righteousness comes to light in the OT.

32 For the perverse person is an abomination to the LORD,
But His secret counsel is with the upright.

The mystery which Paul speaks of to the gentiles was known by those who were declared righteous by God in the OT.""

Who in the OT were declared righteous?

Isaiah 57:1-21 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness. But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the adulterer and the whore. Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood, Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks? Among the smooth stones of the stream is thy portion; they, they are thy lot: even to them hast thou poured a drink offering, thou hast offered a meat offering. Should I receive comfort in these? Upon a lofty and high mountain hast thou set thy bed: even thither wentest thou up to offer sacrifice. Behind the doors also and the posts hast thou set up thy remembrance: for thou hast discovered thyself to another than me, and art gone up; thou hast enlarged thy bed, and made thee a covenant with them; thou lovedst their bed where thou sawest it. And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell. Thou art wearied in the greatness of thy way; yet saidst thou not, There is no hope: thou hast found the life of thine hand; therefore thou wast not grieved. And of whom hast thou been afraid or feared, that thou hast lied, and hast not remembered me, nor laid it to thy heart? have not I held my peace even of old, and thou fearest me not? I will declare thy righteousness, and thy works; for they shall not profit thee. When thou criest, let thy companies deliver thee; but the wind shall carry them all away; vanity shall take them: but he that putteth his trust in me shall possess the land, and shall inherit my holy mountain; And shall say, Cast ye up, cast ye up, prepare the way, take up the stumblingblock out of the way of my people. For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, (this was Christ with the son of the world in the cup He drank in the garden) and smote him: (This is Christ whom the Father was pleased putting the iniquity of us all on Him and Killed Him)I hid me, (this is when the Father turned His back on His Son, and was wroth, (God hated the sin that was in His Son. and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. (Obeying the Father)I have seen his ways, (this is my beloved Son In whom I am well pleased) and will heal him: (He raised Him in Three days) I will lead Him also, and restore comforts unto Him and to His mourners. (the apostles and those who believed Jesus was the Son of God) I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to Him that is far off, (My God, My God why has thou forsaken me) and to Him that is near, (received up into Heaven and seated at the right hand of the Father) saith the LORD; and I will heal him. (His bones were not broken and His body did not see corruption) But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked. (Who are the wicked? "There is none righteous, not not one.

In This passage there is only one that is righteous, the Christ that is born again in the believer. Christ has been made because of His sacrifice and obedience to the Father, our righteousness, He is our sanctification, our only wise Counselor: Wisdom, and Redemption of which there is none Redeemed except by His Death and resurrection and return in the Life of those that believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God only revealed by the Father those who are given to Christ by the Father. Those that the Father has given to Christ in the old testament have a complete different destiny than those that Christ has been birthed into. Our destiny is the Father's house as son's in the Fathers House. There destiny is on this earth for 1000 years with Christ on David's Throne.

One heavenly, one earthly, one birthed, one created, one ruling with, one being ruled over, and on and on. There are none that can be what God wants man to be without Christ either in them or ruling them. The gentile is not ruled, we are His friend not a servant like Israel. In being His friend we are a different servant because in Christ is the life of the New Believer the new creature.

John 15:26-27 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

This beginning is the beginning corner, the corner stone that is laid in Zion which the builders rejected, the builders are Israel.

Psa 118:22 The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner.

Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner [stone], a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Jer 51:26 And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shalt be desolate for ever, saith the LORD.

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mar 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

Luk 20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone];Ephesians 2:21-22 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Who is the building and who is the temple, we are the temple of God. Who inhabits us?

1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

The Gentile Church the Body of Christ will hear Him, and all that believe, Jew or Gentile, male or female, bond or free. All that believe will be saved, by Christ in you who is our Corner Stone. The revelation that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and on this Rock He will build His Church.

Acts 28:23-28 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

They will Hear which Israel rejected. Christ as life in the believer which no one had before the Cross.

Don't study this Jeff, only the Holy Spirit can reveal Christ as life and Not Israel.

In Christ: Phillip


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Jeff, Is this what your statement says?



16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.

In this Scripture Paul teaches that we are joint heirs with Christ. The children of God share with Christ in the inheritance. We are not Christ. The Counselor speaks the commands of Jesus to us.

John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

Rev. 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

This is my experience. Christ sits at the right hand of the Father, serving as our High Priest. He sends the Counselor to man. Those who choose to hear take on the yoke of Christ. To me this means that Christ has the reigns and He directs us in our paths. This walk is the substance of our faith. As we continue to walk with our Lord's yoke upon us we grow to love the Father as He loves His Father. As we submit to the yoke of Christ we learn to love our brothers as He loves our brothers. This walk will cause us to forget about all the things that we once hoped for. This walk will cause us to hope for the upward call of Christ in our life.

To me the Holy Spirit speaks, as I learn the ways that Christ would have me go, I too see a treasure that surpasses the silver and gold of this earth. I see a truth that does not change in the midst of the teachings and philosophies of men.

There are only two types of wisdom. One that descends from our Savior and the other that is of the carnal mind.

As Christ imparts this wisdom to His joint heirs, we too will be convinced by Him through the Holy Spirit that nothing in this world has the power to seperate us. This love of fellowship to me is what defines the Seed in us. The fact that fellowship exists, means that we will do the things Christ commands us to do. Fellowship means that our hearts will love the same things that are righteous. Fellowship means that we will hate evil. Fellowship means that we will suffer tribulation from this world. This is the means by which the Holy Spirit conforms us into the image of His Son.

The fellowship we have with Christ in this corrupt body will pass on to a glorious body in the ressurection. Then we shall see Him as He is...

In Christ
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I am in complete agreement Jeff. We are not Christ, as John so wonderfully put it, 1 John 4:15-17 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as He (Jesus Christ in us) is, so are we in this world.

In Christ: Phillip

"SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD"


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Brother Phillip pointed out...

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"SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD"



The qualifier that enables us to say this comes from

God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

It is the work of the Holy Spirit that enables us to dwell in God and God in us, both the Father and the Son. The Son teaches us how to love the Father through the Holy Spirit. This empowering of the Holy Spirit establishes the 'ministry of righteousness" in us. The substance of this "righteousness" is defined by Christ.

So would you say that everyone who has righteousness has Christ?

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Brother Phillip wrote:

"Who in the OT were declared righteous?"




"Isaiah 57:1-21 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness."


These people were righteous. The remaining section of the Scripture that you highlighted is speaking about those who are identified in Isaiah 56:


9 All you beasts of the field, come to devour,
All you beasts in the forest.
10 His watchmen are blind,
They are all ignorant;
They are all dumb dogs,
They cannot bark;
Sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
11 Yes, they are greedy dogs
Which never have enough.
And they are shepherds
Who cannot understand;
They all look to their own way,
Every one for his own gain,
From his own territory.
12 “Come,” one says, “I will bring wine,
And we will fill ourselves with intoxicating drink;
Tomorrow will be as today,
And much more abundant.”

You will see that there are many comparisons in OT Scripture between those who are disobedient and those who are righteous.

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1 Corinthians 13:1-10 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not Christ, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not Christ, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not Christ, it profiteth me nothing. Christ suffereth long, and is kind; Christ envieth not; charity vaunteth not Himself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Christ never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

I changed the word charity which is agape, which is the Love of God which is Christ who gave Himself for us and Loved us.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Is He perfect? Is He Come in the believer? The "old" has been done away with and all things have become New, In Christ Jesus.

Are we in Christ? Is Christ in us? Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Jhn 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.

Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me

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""So would you say that everyone who has righteousness has Christ?""

Romans 3:9-22 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

*********!!!!!!!!!But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Does this answer your question?

My answer: No person has righteousness. Only Christ is righteous. He has been made by God the Father to be righteousness in us, not by works lest any man should boast. It is the Faith of Christ in us that makes us righteous because we believe what God says about His Son.

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My answer: No person has righteousness. Only Christ is righteous. He has been made by God the Father to be righteousness in us, not by works lest any man should boast. It is the Faith of Christ in us that makes us righteous because we believe what God says about His Son.

In Christ: Phillip



Job 33:

26 He shall pray to God, and He will delight in him,
He shall see His face with joy,
For He restores to man His righteousness.

Do you see that this Scripture says? This says exactly what you have said. God restores to man HIS righteousness.

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1 Corinthians 13:1-10 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not Christ, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not Christ, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not Christ, it profiteth me nothing. Christ suffereth long, and is kind; Christ envieth not; charity vaunteth not Himself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Christ never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.



From what Bible did you quote this from?

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I thought I explained this.

""""I changed the word charity which is agape, which is the Love of God which is Christ who gave Himself for us and Loved us.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Is He perfect? Is He Come in the believer? The "old" has been done away with and all things have become New, In Christ Jesus.

Are we in Christ? Is Christ in us? Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Jhn 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.

Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Jhn 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Jhn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me""""

This is just John. Would you like Paul's in Christ statements. 146 of them.

In Christ: Phillip :-? :-?


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