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Upon David's Throne will be Christ who is in the blood line of David, through Mary, The woman God the Father used to bring forth a special body for the Lord Jesus Christ, with the Sperma of God the Father by the Holy Spirit to bring His only Begotten Son into the world as aLL man and ALL God. By Christ this is what God has made us because we believe and by Faith Christ is now our life, and we must give up these fleshly bodies as Christ did, we have already been crucified in spirit and resurrected with Him and we are learning the Mind of Christ by the Holy Spirit.

If we don't see this we miss the whole Plan of God in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world was ever begun. Ephesians 1:4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:

In Christ: Phillip


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rookie wrote:

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Brother Phillip asked:

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Who is the Mystery? Is the mystery a substance?
Is the mystery a what?


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μυστήριον
mustērion
moos-tay'-ree-on
From a derivative of μύω muō (to shut the mouth); a secret or “mystery” (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery.

[b]2Corinth. 3:14[/b] [color=990000]But their minds were blinded: for until this day remains the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.[/color]

This is the perfect picture of the mystery.
However, it is not only of the reading of the old testament, but in understanding [b]of spiritual matters in all areas of the Faith[/b].

[b]1Corinth. 2:6,7[/b] [color=990000]Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7: But we speak the wisdom of God in a [b]mystery[/b], even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:[/color]

[b]Colosians 1:26[/b] [color=990000]Even the [b]mystery[/b] which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:[/color]

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"through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites): - mystery."

"which vail is done away in Christ."

Christ is in the Old Testament, but a Vail covers the mystery of Christ in you the Hope of Glory that would come as promised, and now is revealed to His saints which are in Christ and Christ in us. That is why we see Christ so vivid in the Old Testament now. The Vail is lifted because we have the Mystery in us which Christ and is now unveiled. To those that are living in the Old Testament, it is still veiled. Christ cannot be born again in us until after the Cross and then revealed by the Holy Spirit that was given, not with us or upon us, but in us at Pentecost, of which God chose His vessel out of all humanity, Paul, to reveal this mystery, with the final Gospel and the fulfillment of the Word of God. CHRIST IN YOU.

In Christ: Phillip


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[b]Psalm 25:14[/b] [color=990000]The secret(intimacy) of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will show them his covenant.[/color]

The secret is of this mystery is in HIS covenant.
HE will show us HIS covenant, but do we realy know HIS covenant and all that it encompasses?

This verse is only a tast of HIS covenant:
[b]Romans 8:32[/b] [color=990000] He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?[/color]
&
[b]2 Peter 1:3[/b] [color=990000]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:[/color]

[color=3366FF][size=xx-large]Praise GOD & Glory to the Highest[/size][/color]

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2Cor. 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. 10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels. 11 For if what is passing away was glorious, what remains is much more glorious.



In this section of Scripture Paul refers to the Law given on Mount Sinai as the "ministry of death." In verse 9 Paul refers to this same ministry as; "the ministry of condemnation."

Then Paul refers to another ministry: the ministry of righteousness. He says about this ministry: the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory. He says:
10 For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.

What does this mean?
He refers to the law of Moses in that it does not provide glory in the most important aspect. Death to self has some glory. But it does nothing for those who only know death. Only those who find the glory that excels will come to know the "ministry of righteousness. This aspect that is most important, is the understanding of how the Holy Spirit causes a glory that excels in the life of a believer.

This same section of Scripture is explained in another way that is found in Romans 5.

9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

The glory that excels refers to the statement here, "much more, having been reconciled.... we shall be saved by His life."

This Life that is given to us through the Holy Spirit saves us from God's wrath. This Life frees us from the bondage of sin and death.

The ministry of the Holy Spirit will bring about righteousness in those who live by faith.

Who is the King of Righteousness, the King of Peace?

The answer can also be found in the OT.

In Christ
Jeff






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As you are showing scripture of the Old and New Testements
"the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones"
And
"the ministry of the Spirit, which is the same as the ministry of righteousness" I will show you [b]a mystry[/b] of life though death.

Here is the ony difference between the two ministries:
[b]Jeramiah 31:33[/b] [color=990000]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.[/color]

The Old Covenant is written on stone tabletts and the New Covenant is on our hearts.
How much more should we be dead if the Law is on our hearts?

rookie wrote:

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Death to self has some glory. But it does nothing for those who only know death. Only those who find the glory that excels will come to know the "ministry of righteousness. This aspect that is most important, is the understanding of how the Holy Spirit causes a glory that excels in the life of a believer.



The Holy Spirit only leads to Christ which is the cause for glory that excels in the life of a believer.

Once we are lead to Christ, what must we do?
We must be crucified with Christ for HIS life to be in us.

Mr. John (praying) Hyde said, "Self must not only be dead, but buried out of sight, for the stench of the unburied self-life will frighten souls away from Jesus"

Paul said:
[b]Phiippians 3:10[/b] [color=990000]That I may know him, and [b]the power of his resurrection[/b], and the fellowship of his sufferings, [b]being made conformable unto his death[/b];[/color]

The power of his resurrection:
[b]Ephesians 1:18-20[/b] [color=990000]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
[b]:19[/b] And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, [b]according to the working of his mighty power,
:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead,[/b] and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,[/color]

[b]2Corinth. 3:8[/b] [color=990000]how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?[/color]

The ministery of the Spirit will only lead us to death[of self] and in that death will bring life and life more abundantly.

[b]John 10:10,b[/b] [color=990000]I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.[/color]

[b]2Corinth. 3:9[/b] [color=990000]For if the ministry of condemnation[law on stone] had glory, the ministry of righteousness[law on our hearts] exceeds much more in glory.[/color]
[b]Romans 5:17[/b] [color=990000]For if by one man's[Adam] offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall [b]reign in life[/b] by one, Jesus Christ.[/color]

Here is how we aply this life by Jesus Christ:
[b]Galatians 2:20[/b] [color=990000]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/color]

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Logic, I am shouting for joy. What a blessing to hear the truth come forth in expounding words that are straight from the Holy Spirit and the Christ who's name we bare.

All I can think of is Christ is the same, yesterday, today, and forever in the believer and He will never change. I see Jesus in you because I see Jesus in me.

You have blessed my day, to have another son of God bringing to light what has been given by our Holy Spirit teacher of this Christ that is in us.

I thought is would never happen. Every body is against me (HIM) for believing this way. Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Colossians 1:26-28 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 1:9-12 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

I am truly filled by the perfection of Christ in your Post.

In Christ: Phillip


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Jeff wrote;

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"The ministry of the Holy Spirit will bring about righteousness in those who live by faith.

Who is the King of Righteousness, the King of Peace?

The answer can also be found in the OT."

In Christ
Jeff

"The ministry of the Holy Spirit will bring about righteousness in those who live by faith."

Christ is our righteousness. The Holy Spirit shows us that it is Christ's righteousness that makes us righteous and teach us teach us the Mind of Christ that we might manifest in the flesh that righteousness.

"The answer can also be found in the OT."

Yes, by us but not by them because they did not have the Mystery Himself birthed in them. It was a mystery until, Colossians 1:25-27 Whereof I am (Paul) made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to (((fulfil))) the word of God; Even the (((mystery))) which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the (((glory of this mystery))) among the Gentiles; which is (((Christ in you,)) the hope of glory:

The Hope of Glory: The Faith of Glorious Worship of Christ and the Father for what He has done. A New Creature.

In Christ:

In Christ: Phillip


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Brother Logic wrote:

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The Holy Spirit only leads to Christ which is the cause for glory that excels in the life of a believer.

Once we are lead to Christ, what must we do?
We must be crucified with Christ for HIS life to be in us.



This is true, that we are lead to Christ by the Holy Spirit. For the work of the Holy Spirit is to reveal to us the things of Christ. Only by the power of the Holy Spirit will we be crucified with Christ. Only by being born of the Holy Spirit will we be enabled by the Father to be conformed into the image of His Son.


Paul identifies the "ministry of death and condemnation" as the law given on Mount Sinai. Paul teaches that the "ministry of death" is written on stone tablets. He then proceeds on to teach of the new covenant, "the ministry of righteousness." This "ministry" is not written on stone, it is not weak in that it depends on the flesh. This "ministry of righteousness is brought about by the power of the Holy Spirit.

(8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?)

The quote of Jeremiah is dependent upon the power of the Holy Spirit.

Now in terms of the "ministry of righteousness" we find that there are OT saints who are righteous. And this righteousness found in the OT saints does not differ from the righteousness that we ourselves have in Christ. For Christ is the King of Righteousness, He is the King of Peace.
All widsom is found in Christ. The content of this wisdom never changes. The result of being given this wisdom comes not from man. The mind of the carnal man cannot please God. The source of this wisdom finds is source in the Word. The result of this wisdom creates a new man, a righteous man.

The mystery of the ministry of righteousness comes to light in the OT.

32 For the perverse person is an abomination to the LORD,
But His secret counsel is with the upright.

The mystery which Paul speaks of to the gentiles was known by those who were declared righteous by God in the OT.

We know that the law given on Mount Sinai only brings condemnation and death. It cannot make one righteous. But thoughout Scripture we find that there exist righteous men and women in all generations. It is only by the minitry of the Holy Spirit renewing the mind daily that this work was accomplished by God in the individual who lived by faith.

Read Proverbs....listen to what Scripture says about the righteousness of the OT saints. Be careful how you hear...

Proverbs 2

6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding;
7 He stores up sound wisdom for the upright;
He is a shield to those who walk uprightly;
8 He guards the paths of justice,
And preserves the way of His saints.
9 Then you will understand righteousness and justice,
Equity and every good path.
10 When wisdom enters your heart,
And knowledge is pleasant to your soul,

Christ defines righteousness to those who would hear...our salvation is found in the Life that we inherit by the works of the Holy Spirit in us. Christ sits as the second Man at the right hand of God, directing the Counselor. The words He speaks come from our High Priest according to the Order of Melchizedeck.

In Christ
Jeff


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Christ is the completed fact of our birth into the Christ Life. The Holy Spirit is the Power and Operator of that Fact. Christ is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the One that is the Seed, born again in the believer or died on the Cross. The Holy Spirit is baptized into the believer by the answered prayer of Jesus Christ to the Father.

Jeff, Is this what your statement says? " Only by being born of the Holy Spirit will we be enabled by the Father to be conformed into the image of His Son."


In Christ, taught by the Holy Spirit with Power:

Phillip


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