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 Re: Philip - get rid of this body of sin and death

There is NOTHING wrong with our fleshly body at ALL!! Christ had a fleshly body (just like ours) in the likeness of sinful flesh and did not sin. Are you saying that physical death has more power to deliver us from sin than Christ's death, resurrection and who is now our very life? Is physical death our Savior from sin?


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Hi cup

Quote: """Are you saying that physical death has more power to deliver us from sin than Christ's death, resurrection and who is now our very life? Is physical death our Savior from sin?""

NO!

There is no greater power for the born again son' of God than the resurrection power of Jesus Christ. Scripture says that flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom. The Body that was prepared for Jesus was sinless in the egg of Mary had no blood, the Blood of Christs body was the prepared sinless blood of God. Lest the Blood of Christ, could not be the perfect Lamb of Gods blood That takes away our sin, The perfect blood shed upon of altar of God is the only payment for the sin of the whole world that God could accept. My blood cannot enter the kingdom of God, that is why I said that my death gives me the right to have the same body as Christ has, which is Gods promise which is flesh and bone, not containing the sin infected blood of the curse from Adams sin. Christs body is not like ours, if He had sinned it would be and the sacrifice of on the altar could not pay the price that God the Father demands to set us free. Christs blood was sinless.

In Christ: Phillip Looking forward to my death, scared being human, but a certainty, getting close for I am 80.
My children' mother died the 28th, her soul and spirit are with Christ and her new perfect resurrected body will be hers soon. Praise God


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 Re: not containing the sin infected blood of the curse from Adams sin.

That is not true! Christ had Mary's blood in Him. He was in ALL points like us. Christ became a curse for us. The curse of Adams sin was totally removed by His death and resurrection. Blood can not sin. There is no such thing as sinful blood. Christ was tempted exactly like we are. His blood had nothing to with His overcoming sin. We are NOW totally free from sins domain!!

Romans 6:14, "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

WE do not have sinful blood!!


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Matthew 1:18 (KJV) Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

The life of the flesh is in the blood, since the blood comes through the fathers seed, then the blood is what carries life of the flesh which is all under the curse. Mary's seed, her ovum the egg has no blood, that is why we can eat chicken eggs without blood in them, once in a while you will see streaks of blood in a chicken egg, that is because the rooster got to the egg laying hen.

Marys egg was without blood, "before they came together", the Holy Spirit planted the sinless life blood of the incorruptible Seed of the Father in Marys egg, and she conceived and bare a Son, Jesus Christ the sinless Son of God. There was no sin found in Him. Perfect sacrifice.

The Holy Spirit is certainly not a rooster.

But the life force of God HimselMatthew 1:20 (KJV) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. That is how Mary became pregnant with the Son of God.

Matthew 1:23 (KJV) Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Matthew 1:25 (KJV) And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

In Christ: Phillip


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"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST." —Matthew 1:18-20

"NOW all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, God with us." —Matthew 11:22-23
THE VIRGIN BIRTH
Passing strange, is it not, that with such a clear record anyone can deny that the BIBLE TEACHES THE VIRGIN BIRTH. We can understand how men can reject the Bible record, but how men can say that the Bible does not teach the VIRGIN BIRTH is beyond conception.
The Bible teaches plainly that Jesus was conceived in the womb of a virgin Jewish mother by a supernatural insemination of the Holy Ghost, wholly and apart from any generation by a human father. This the Bible teaches so plainly that to the believer there is no doubt. The record cannot be mistaken by the enlightened and honest student of the Word.

JESUS SINLESS
The Bible teaches in addition that Jesus was a SINLESS man. While all men from Adam to this day are born with Adam’s sinful nature, and, therefore, are subject to the curse and eternal death, the Man Jesus was without sin and, therefore, DEATHLESS until He took the sin of others upon Himself and died THEIR death. Now while Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh yet He did not inherit Adam's nature. This alone will prove that sin is not transmitted through the flesh. It is transmitted through the blood and not the flesh, and even though Jesus was of the "Seed of David according to the flesh" this could not make him a sinner.

God has made of ONE BLOOD ALL THE NATIONS of the earth. Sinful heredity is transmitted through the blood and not through the flesh. Even though Jesus, therefore, received His flesh, His body from a sinful race, He could still be sinless as long as not a drop blood of this sinful race entered His veins. God must find a way whereby Jesus could be perfectly human according to the flesh and yet not have the blood of sinful humanity. That was the problem solved by the virgin birth.

ORIGIN OF THE BLOOD
It is now definitely known that the blood which flows in an unborn babies arteries and veins is not derived from the mother but is produced within the body of the foetus itself only after the introduction of the male sperm. An unfertilized ovum can never develop blood since the female egg does not by itself contain the elements essential for the production of this blood. It is only after the male element has entered the ovum that blood can develop. As a very simple illustration of this, think of the egg of a hen. An unfertilized egg is just an ovum on a much larger scale than the human ovum. You may incubate this unfertilized hens egg but it will never develop. It will decay and become rotten, but no chick will result. Let that egg be fertilized by the introduction of the male sperm and incubation will bring to light the presence of LIFE IN THAT EGG. After a few hours it visibly develops. In a little while red streaks occur in the egg denoting the presence of Blood. This can never occur and does never occur until THE MALE SPERM HAS BEEN UNITED WITH THE FEMALE OVUM. The male element has added life to the egg. Life is in the blood according to scripture, for Moses says:
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood." (Leviticus 17:11). "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof." —Leviticus 17:14
Since there is no life in the egg until the male sperm unites with it, and the life is in the blood, it follows that the male sperm is the source of the blood, the seed of life. Think it through.

NO MOTHERS BLOOD
For this very reason, it is unnecessary that a single drop of blood be given to the developing embryo in the womb of the mother. Such is the case according to science. The mother provides the foetus (the unborn developing infant) with the nutritive elements for the building of that little body in the secret of her bosom, but all the blood which forms in that little body is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the contribution of the male parent. From the time of conception to the time of birth of the infant not ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD ever passes from mother to child. The placenta that mass of temporary tissue known better as “afterbirth,” forming the union between mother and child is so constructed that although all the soluble nutritive elements such as proteins, fats, carbohydrates, salts, minerals and even antibodies pass freely from mother to child and the waste products of the child's metabolism are passed back to the mothers circulation, no actual interchange of a single drop of blood ever occurs normally. All the blood which is in that child is produced within the child itself as a result of the introduction of the male sperm. The mother contributes no blood at all.

TESTIMONY OF SCIENCE
Now for the sake of some of the skeptics who may doubt these statements let me quote from a few reliable authorities. In Howell’s Textbook of Physiology, Second Edition, pages 885 and 886, I read:
"For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the foetus (the unborn child) bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The fetal and maternal blood DO NOT COME INTO ACTUAL CONTACT. THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER by the walls of the fetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villae."
Or let me quote from Williams’ Practice of Obstetrics, Third Edition, page 133. Here I quote,
"The fetal blood in the vessels of the chorionic villae AT NO TIME GAINS ACCESS TO THE MATERNAL BLOOD in the intervillous space, BEING SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER by the double layer of chorionic epithelium."
And from page 136 of the same recognized textbook I quote,
"Normally there is no communication between the fetal blood and the maternal blood."
Now for the benefit of those of you who may be nurses, let me quote from a textbook which is familiar to you. Quoting from "Nurse’s Handbook of Obstetrics" by Louise Zabriskie, R.N., Fifth Edition, page 75:
"When the circulation of the blood begins in the embryo, it remains separate and distinct from that of the mother. All food and waste material which are interchanged between the embryo and the mother must pass through the blood vessel walls from one circulation to the other."
And from page 82 of the same book:
"The foetus receives its nourishment and oxygen from the mothers blood into its own through the medium of the placenta. The fetal heart pumps blood through the arteries of the umbilical cord into the placental vessels, which, looping in and out of the uterine tissue and lying in close contact with the uterine vessels, permit a diffusion, through their walls, of waste products from child to mother and of nourishment and oxygen from mother to child. As has been said, this interchange is effected by the process of osmosis, and there is no direct mingling of the two blood currents. In other words, no maternal blood actually flows to the foetus, nor is there any direct fetal blood flow to the mother."
GOD'S WONDERFUL PROVISION
How wonderfully God prepared for the virgin birth of His Son. When He created woman He made her so that no blood would be able to pass from her to her offspring. That blood is the result of the male. Since Adam was the federal head of the race, it is HIS BLOOD which transmits Adam's Sin. In order to produce a sinless man and yet be the son of Adam, God must provide a way whereby that man would have a human body derived from Adam but have not a drop of Adam's sinful blood. Right here is the scientific biological reason for the sinlessness of the Man Christ Jesus. Some have tried to answer the question, “How could He be sinless and yet born of a woman?” by making Mary the “Immaculate Virgin.” That, however, does not answer the question of how JESUS was sinless since it is through the male that the bloodline runs.

Not only is this a scientific fact, but it is plainly taught in Scripture that Jesus partook of human flesh without Adam's blood. In Hebrews 2:14 we read,
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood. He also himself likewise took part of the same..."
You will notice that the children, that is the human children, are said to be partakers of FLESH and BLOOD, and then speaking of Jesus it says that He "himself likewise took part of the same." The Word “took part” as applying to Christ is an entirely different word then “partakers” as applied to the children. In the margin of my Bible, I read the word translated “took part” implies “taking part in something outside one’s self.” The Greek word for partakers is "KOYNONEHO" and means “to share fully,” so that all of Adam’s children share fully in Adam’s flesh and blood. When we read that Jesus “took part of the same” the word is "METECHO" which means to take "part" but not all. The Children take both flesh and blood of Adam but Christ took only part, that is the flesh part, while the blood was the result of supernatural conception.
Jesus was a perfect human being after the flesh. He was of the seed of David according to the flesh, but blood is that part of a man which is the divine addition. In the creation of man, Adam’s body was made from the dust of the earth, but God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Since life is in the blood, this act resulted in the formation of blood in Adam’s body, but the first Adam’s blood was corrupted and sin transmitted through it to all mankind. In the last Adam and the second man, new and divine and sinless blood was produced in a body that was the seed of Adam and by this resulted in the production of —
DIVINE BLOOD
Conception by the Holy Ghost then was the only way the Virgin Birth could be accomplished. Mary contributed the body of Jesus and He became the "seed of David according to the flesh." The Holy Spirit contributed the Blood of Jesus. It was sinless blood. It was Divine blood. It is Precious Blood for there has never been any other like it. It is —


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 Re: I am saying that His blood did not make him sinless

I 100% agree that the BIBLE TEACHES THE VIRGIN BIRTH and He was sinless. I am saying that His blood did not make him sinless. When Christ was tempted He could of sinned but did not. His blood had nothing to do with it.

Before Adam sinned there was NOTHING wrong with his body or his blood. So are you saying that after he sinned his blood turned sinful? When Adam sinned his blood had NOTHING to with his disobedience. How could it?

I am not a real fan of Winkie Pratney but I do agree with what he wrote.

"Neither does sin reside, as some sincere men have stated, in the blood. No place in the Scriptures give the blood morality. It is a symbol of life, and as the electrochemical and circulatory system of the body, is the "life of the flesh" and the "circuitry" of the soul. As a symbol of a man's life, it is certainly a precious symbol of Christ's atoning sacrifice for our lives (Isaiah 53:10-12; Hebrews 9:22-23; Matthew 26:28; Acts 20:28; Romans 3:24-26; 5:9-11; Ephesians 2:13; Hebrews 10:10-14; 10:19-20; 1 Peter 1:18-19; 1 John 1:7). If it was true that moral characteristics are transmitted through the blood, then a blood transfusion from a saint, will make a man more holy, and one from a sinner will make a saint less sanctified. It will follow then, that a prenatal blood transfusion on a "blue" baby will give it a totally different nature!"

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Hi Vern, check this out and it might help you understand that Jesus could not be all God with the blood of a human, Mary, in His veins. He was flesh of Marys egg but no blood is in the egg, the Blood comes from the Father "incorruptible seed of the Father" only and God is the Father of Jesus Christ and "Our Father who art in heaven", now that we are born again of the same incorruptible Seed in spirit, through Faith Eph 2: 8.9,10 WE will live in our Fathers House forever.


1 Peter 1:23 (KJV) Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Look up the (Word) of God in the Greek.

"The Word" should be capitalized as in John 1: 1/5

In Christ: Phillip


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The idea that Jesus did not have real human blood is absurd.

He had real human blood with a blood type and Rh factor and platelets and leukocytes and plasma and everything.

Suggesting that sin, which is an abstract idea, not a physical “thing” somehow physically resides in blood smacks of some weird mystical idea.



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Quote: """The idea that Jesus did not have real human blood is absurd."""

Where did this come form; Of course the blood in His body had to be compatible with the body that was prepared for Him.

Also, Quote: """ He had real human blood with a blood type and Rh factor and platelets and leukocytes and plasma and everything."""

How could we know what any of these factors are or even if He did since His Father was God? I believe that the atonement in His Blood still has all the efficacy and power and is as fresh today as it was when first shed on the Cross. The Perfect Blood of Jesus Christ. Amen

If sin is an abstract Idea why do we have to die physically?
Our death is not mystical but fact, when the blood quits working the flesh dies.

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 Re: Christ was IN ALL POINTS tempted like as we are.

Rom 8:3, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:"

Heb 2:16-18, "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."

Heb 4:15, "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in ALL POINTS tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

God can not be tempted but Christ the New human Adam was. He could have sinned but did not.

Was there anything wrong with Adam's and Eve's body or blood before they disobeyed God?

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Christ had 100% HUMAN flesh just as us. If not He could never be the Last Adam.




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