SermonIndex Audio Sermons
Image Map
Discussion Forum : General Topics : The seven mountain mandate is antibiblical

Print Thread (PDF)

Goto page ( Previous Page 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 Next Page )
PosterThread
deltadom
Member



Joined: 2005/1/6
Posts: 1818
Hemel Hempstead

 Re:

Listen to Frank , Mike

He lives near IHOP

Dom

------

Savannah

I was just trying to wonder what point you were trying to make from this verse as it does not justify the seven mountain mandate as you always tend to interpret old testament passages through the light of the new testament

------+--

Rbanks

Great passages as there was some I forgot as there is so many passages in scripture that goes against this doctrine and I 100 percent agree with you

----------

Marvin

Praise the lord
You have finally seen through the smokescreen

--------------

To me what worries me about this movement is how prolific this movement is and how it is spread through churches like bethel Redding

One thing I did miss on , is that revival is primarily for the church and not for the world as it is only a byproduct


_________________
Dominic Shiells

 2018/5/10 4:21Profile
AbideinHim
Member



Joined: 2006/11/26
Posts: 3530
Louisiana

 Re:



Brother Frank,
I want to apologize to you for making that statement in anger.

I am in fellowship with older and younger men and women in ministry that have had close ties to IHOP, and they are all lovers of God, rooted and grounded in the Word, and they are not giving themselves over to false signs and wonders. I am also well aware of the Kansas City prophets and what Andrew Strom has said said about them.

I have a heart for the young people, and I believe that the leadership at IHOP does also.

From the discussion on the 7 mountains, there has been both truth and error brought forth. For instance just because someone believes that there are seven mountains of culture to conquer that doesn’t mean that they embrace “Dominion Theology”.
I personally do not believe in dominionism, nor do I believe that conquering the 7 mountains will change society, but what I do believe is that through the fervent prayers of the saints that revival and awakening will have a godly influence on our society.

For many years now I have lead and been connected to intercessors all over the nation. Just as IHOP groups all over the world are worshipping the Lord and praying 24/7, there is continuous worship and prayer going on with strategic prayer calls in which intercessors are praying every hour on the hour. There are also many other streams of prayer that are praying on a consistent basis for revival and awakening. I believe that Greg and the brothers and sisters that he is praying with on the prayer calls have a heart for revival, and I will be praying for the conference in California.

Those that are on the wall of prayer are the ones that are seeking the face of God, hearing from God, and praying “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Those that are in the wall are grieved by what is going on with the Church and nation. This is why we believe and pray for our government and leaders as the Word instructs us to do.

We can no longer sit in our comfortable churches that are totally out of the will of God concerning His purposes and plans. The darkness can only come in where there is an absence of light, and we know that the Son of God was manifested to destroy the works of the devil, and we are called as a Body of believers to do the same thing. After the Holy Spirit was poured out on the disciples of Jesus, The first priority of the Apostles was the Word and Prayer. We have been called to be a House of Prayer for all nations, so that the gospel can be preached, and not only that men would be saved, but that they would become disciples of Jesus, being confirmed into His image and likeness.



Sent from my iPhone


_________________
Mike

 2018/5/10 5:59Profile
rbanks
Member



Joined: 2008/6/19
Posts: 1257


 Re:

Brother Mike and others...

I believe that sincere godly people sometimes make mistakes and can get caught up in wrong teaching.

Jesus warned us not to be deceived by what is false.

Now a question, is prayer just something we do for certain things to be changed according to our understanding?

Is not our prayers in vain if it is not according to the will of God?

Take for example the church...is it not in the present world but not of the world...are we not suppose to be pilgrims passing through?

The blessing of Abraham is not earthy possessions but our spiritual heritage in Christ Jesus?

Abraham was told to journey in a land that would one day be given to him on the earth in the Old Testament times but now we are in the New Testament times.

Now in the New Testament times this land is not ours yet because it is ruled by the prince and power of the air but it will one day...after all it’s works are burned up....when there will be a new heaven, earth and Jerusalem.

The problem in trying to Christianize the present world is that many are praying prayers in vain because God said he was going to destroy the world and everything that was not in His spiritual kingdom.

We can’t mix the world with the church but we must be separate from the world. The prayer thy kingdom come and thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven does not mean that we join up with the world or that we take over the world because the time to rule and to reign will be in the new heaven, earth and Jerusalem.

As Christians on the present earth we will always suffer persecution by living godly. We will always not be welcomed by the world but will be an offense to them.

Jesus never tried to take over the world to rule and to reign because he said that His Kingdom was not of this world. Now the body of Christ must follow their leaders example and live godly in this present world looking forward to His glorious appearing then will we rule and reign when he comes back to take over.

We must preach the gospel and witness Christ by the power of the Spirit to reach a lost and dying world...so that they can come out of the world and be a part of the church in the kingdom of God....which is a spiritual relationship with the living God in Christ Jesus.

 2018/5/10 8:14Profile
twayneb
Member



Joined: 2009/4/5
Posts: 2002
Joplin, Missouri

 Re:

Quote:
I have a heart for the young people, and I believe that the leadership at IHOP does also.



Mike: I have absolutely no doubt that this is a true statement. I do not believe the motive of those in this movement are evil. But there is something deeper going on in all of this.

My son attended IHOP for a year. I have friends who sold everything and moved to IHOP and now are part of the leadership structure. My wife and I have been to IHOP countless times and spent time in the prayer room there. I am not speaking from a lack of knowledge.

What I have noticed is something deeper than mere academic error due to a misinterpretation of scripture. There is something spiritually quite off with the apostolic / prophetic movement as a whole. Sure there are believers who are part of it that are solid. I do not dispute that for a moment. I know some of them. But at its core, there is a spiritual deception going on in all of it that is made evident by or perhaps accompanied by some pretty major doctrinal errors.

There is a study series on the IHOP website that deals with the foundational doctrines of that organization. It is really the "how we got here and why we exist" documents. If you study them carefully, you can see the foundational error behind the movement.

And this is not a discussion about IHOP alone. They are only a specific branch of a much bigger tree. That is why I suggest studying carefully the teachings of all of the major leaders in this movement.

Believe me, I would LOVE to be wrong about this. We fellowshipped with a group for about 5 years that was heavily into the whole prophetic movement. Since I was raised in pentecost, I thought the things they spoke of were just other names for the gifts of the Spirit that I was so familiar with. What I learned was that it was a different creature altogether.

I say these things with some hesitancy, because I really want to be wrong. But I have seen, experienced, and studied too much. I am hesitant because I never want to be against any person or people, and I am certainly not one to make it my business to point out what I think are errors. But in this case, I feel like I have to because I am seeing this movement having a very negative effect on so many people, and I have already seen so many people led way off into left field by it.

I hope this came across right. Blessings.


_________________
Travis

 2018/5/10 8:31Profile
StirItUp
Member



Joined: 2016/6/4
Posts: 941
Johannesburg, South Africa

 Re:

Beautifully summarized brother.


_________________
William

 2018/5/10 9:09Profile
AbideinHim
Member



Joined: 2006/11/26
Posts: 3530
Louisiana

 Re:






Brother Travis,

I appreciate what you shared and the spirit with what you shared it. I do not agree with everything that Mike Bickle teaches or what goes on at IHOP.

We that are older and have been through many different movements and trends need to be very wise and discerning with the way that we deal with this young generation or we are going to loose them. I see the Spirit of God On many of them. They have an anointing on them to pray and these are the ones that God is going to use to start Holy Spirit fires in the campuses all over America. This young generation is sick and tired of church like we know it, and so am I. These young evangelists and revivalists are looking for something real, and they are finding it in the presence of God. We might not like their music or Lou Engels swaying when he prays, but we better be ready to embrace change, because God is shaking all things, and great change is coming.


_________________
Mike

 2018/5/10 9:20Profile









 Re:

No problems Mike. I dont think it could have been said better than how brother Travis summarized it. I agree with Travis 100% and all of his sentiments stated are mine as well. I know many wonderful folks at IHOP, known many of them for over 20 years. They are genuine, just genuinely wrong in thier basic discernment of what underlies the IHOP movement. The great persecution to come will be carried out by very passionate people who believe in what they are doing.......bro Frank

 2018/5/10 9:31
savannah
Member



Joined: 2008/10/30
Posts: 2028


 Re: justified



Dom wrote,

Savannah

I was just trying to wonder what point you were trying to make from this verse as it does not justify the seven mountain mandate as you always tend to interpret old testament passages through the light of the new testament

________________________________________

Dom,

Absolutely no attempt on my part, or by my post to justify the seven mountain mandate. I never even heard of it until reading it here on SI in this thread.

And as to my interpretating Old Testament through the light and lens of the New, is not a novelty. Jesus Himself, Paul the Apostle, and every New Testament writer did exactly that. It is what the Holy Spirit Himself teaches. To do otherwise will lead to all sorts of error.

 2018/5/10 9:37Profile
twayneb
Member



Joined: 2009/4/5
Posts: 2002
Joplin, Missouri

 Re:

Quote:
We that are older and have been through many different movements and trends need to be very wise and discerning with the way that we deal with this young generation or we are going to loose them. I see the Spirit of God On many of them. They have an anointing on them to pray and these are the ones that God is going to use to start Holy Spirit fires in the campuses all over America. This young generation is sick and tired of church like we know it, and so am I. These young evangelists and revivalists are looking for something real, and they are finding it in the presence of God. We might not like their music or Lou Engels swaying when he prays, but we better be ready to embrace change, because God is shaking all things, and great change is coming.



Mike: I agree 100%. But that is what elders do. We follow God with blazing hearts, radically separated unto Him and radically in love with Him. With that example to the younger, we see in them the gifts and callings of God and we lead them into the same radical walk with God that we have so those gifts can come forth. But this does not happen through any particular "movement". This happens as the elder begin to lead the younger into the reality that we ourselves are pursuing.


_________________
Travis

 2018/5/10 11:50Profile
AbideinHim
Member



Joined: 2006/11/26
Posts: 3530
Louisiana

 Re:

I agree 100%. But that is what elders do. We follow God with blazing hearts, radically separated unto Him and radically in love with Him. With that example to the younger, we see in them the gifts and callings of God and we lead them into the same radical walk with God that we have so those gifts can come forth. But this does not happen through any particular "movement". This happens as the elder begin to lead the younger into the reality that we ourselves are pursuing.


Amen Travis! This younger generation needs to be mentored by elders and spiritual fathers.

"He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse." (Malachi 4:6)


_________________
Mike

 2018/5/10 12:09Profile





©2002-2020 SermonIndex.net
Promoting Genuine Biblical Revival.
Affiliate Disclosure | Privacy Policy