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So I went straight to one of the "horses mouth" and read his theology, I read his ideas on how to solve the cultural issues that face us. Os Hillman does not call this 'DOMINIONISM', he labeled that as a hurtful doctrine.
I read all 4 pages of his theology ( basically proof texts used to launch his activities)
I read several other articles and another blog site describing the 7 mountain movement.
You can read the Os Hillman mandate here.
When you visit the Change Agent Network you get to see inside exactly where their primary focus is.
I don't know why I didn't sign up for the executive membership at $5500.00 yearly? But that aside.
From the misinterpretation of Isa 2...all the way to the marketing gimmicks presented to the Change-Agents I am terribly disappointed...that something God would certainly do...effect change in the world through gospel ministry and a living gospel witness in our lives is hijacked to extract large sums of money from its adherents and project to them a power-people that seek to be the agents of change.
Oh God how wrong I was about this thing...Thanks Dom, Thanks Frank, Thanks Travis and brother Banks.
What I took at face value as good is an overlay for ecclesiastical power men vying for position.
God have mercy on us.
| 2018/5/9 19:19||Profile|
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Pretty close to it Marvin, at IHOP they have many 20 and 30 somethings and they certainly believe that they are special and that God is raising them up to be a generation that takes over. Of course I have the exact opposite view. I believe God is raising up a generation of martyrs. The ominous aspect of this for me is that I believe that IHOP and affiliates are being set up to be the grand inquisitors of the one world church wehn it comes. There is such a desperation to see miracles ( its overwhelming and under-girds everything they do) that they will doubtlessly fall victim to lying signs and wonders. Add to that positions of authority and you have the perfect storm where those who are called after the name of Jesus will persecute those who refuse to bow the knee to this new world order................bro Frank
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Phoenix, Arizona USA
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Something terrible has happened in our society over the last 80-90 years, the freedoms that we have enjoyed have become untied from Christian restraints and are now leading to chaos where all morality becomes relative. At this point it means little if we are talking "right" or "left", the two roads end in the same place, authoritarianism.
I'm not sure we as the church have understood this very well and so the spirit of this age rolls on crushing all we hold dear. We have not taken the spiritual battle, which is our primary struggle, seriously. Neither have we taken the battle here in earth seriously, in our government, schools, communities, and homes.
The spiritual battle works out in space and time on the stage of human history and in every area of human culture. But if we are to win on that stage it will take a commitment to fighting the spiritual battle with the weapons God gives per Ephesians 6.
| 2018/5/9 19:42||Profile|
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I have never heard of any sort of "seven mountain mandate." Our mandate is to love the Lord with "all" that we are and to love others as ourselves. Out of this love for God and our neighbors, we do what we can to introduce Christ to others throughout this world.
It isn't a "mountain" and it isn't that complicated.
| 2018/5/9 19:55||Profile|
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No man can save another, It is Christ and Christ alone of those given Him by the Father that are saved, even in their destruction, only God is the Glory of Christ' coming and His reign as King over all that is. No one but God can prepare this world for His Kingdom, which is destruction and a new beginning of all that is His World not ours. If you look up mountain in scripture it is akin to kingdom. Really: 7 kingdoms? Not hardly.
In Christ: Phillip
| 2018/5/9 20:24||Profile|
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"Savannah is this just using commentaries to expound the one proverb from Soloman."
The Proverbs I quoted in my post are not a riddle. Even a kindergartener can understand the plain and straightforward meaning. The commentators merely enhance what is stated.
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| 2018/5/9 20:27|
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, "at IHOP they have many 20 and 30 somethings and they certainly believe that they are special and that God is raising them up to be a generation that takes over. Of course I have the exact opposite view."
That is a totally false statement Frank, and you need to back this up with some proof. I am familiar with Mike Bickle's teachings and some of the other teachers at IHOP. I am in a fellowship where the assistant pastor spent several years at IHOP. I have heard him teach on several occassions, and his teachings are not in error, nor does he promote false signs and wonders.
You are making statements about what you believe, but they have no credibility.
| 2018/5/9 22:57||Profile|
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2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Notice when the antiChrist is revealed many were deceived by him. The Lord shall destroy him with His Word and with His glorious return to be admired in those saints who truly believed and obeyed the gospel.
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Many who did not love the truth that would have saved them will be deceived and God will send them strong delusion so they will continue to be deceived because they had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The anti Christ will have power to do miracles and lying wonders. Many of Christendom of the organized Church world will be deceived by thinking the antiChrist is the Messiah. Only the elect remnant will be spared the coming judgment and wrath of God because they truly followed the Lord by staying true to the Lord Jesus Christ and His gospel.
Many will fall away and be deceived by the anti Christ because they didn’t stay separated from the world. All that love the world and the things of the world will be deceived. Many so called Pentecostals of our day are so materialistic and worldly minded that they have forsaken holiness for worldliness. Many don’t even believe anymore that it is still a strait and narrow way that leads to eternal life. The blind are leading the blind.
We have the Carlton Pearson’s leading many into heresy. We have books and movies like “The Shack” that is setting people up for the antiChrist who is coming to give them everything that their flesh desires. Many people are being taught today to believe in a god of love but without truth or holiness. Deception is at an all time high and most churches are either a form of godliness denying the power thereof or it is becoming a place of worldly entertainment to appeal to the world. We are in desperate need of Holy Ghost filled people that will be sent out to reach the lost before it is eternally too late.
Blessings to all!
| 2018/5/9 23:07||Profile|
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Mike, I spent a year there. Have you ever been to a single service? I was also involved in a homegroup for over a year with three of these young folks of which I speak. To speak on a church you have never attended Mike and say to someone who spent a year there that they have no credibility, you must know that is is quite the opposite. Sad , but this level of hostility is what happens when people's golden calfs are exposed as error. Andrew Strom, who spent several years at IHOP and exposed much of the error was a speaker at SI conference in Wales. I have lived just 20 minutes from IHOP for almost 30 years. I attended Full Faith Church of Love for almost a decade. It was Ernie Gruen who exposed, publicly the gross errors of the Kansas City Prophets, the forerunner to IHOP. You really need to do some homework brother before bringing railing accusations against another brother based on conversations you have had with a former assistant Pastor. You think he may be slightly biased brother? Try reading Stroms work on the Kundalini spirit. While I was there they were sending teams down to Florida to Todd Bentley. Do we even need to discuss Bob Jones and Paul Cain? ............bro Frank
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