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Bill, http://www.GodTube.com


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 2017/2/1 10:03Profile
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Thanks Tim, I remember that now, I was using that as an example, but glad to know there is a still a God tube.


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We have messages up there and will be uploading more:

http://www.godtube.com/sermonindex

We will be slowly adding sermon video files that can be downloaded directly from sermonIndex like this one: http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/myvideo/photo.php?lid=2811

This will be a manual process but in the end it is better the files are hosted this way.


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 2017/2/1 10:16Profile
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There are now 2 christian news websites carrying this story:

Thousands Of Christian Sermons Deleted By YouTube Without Any Warning
https://hellochristian.com/6160-thousands-of-christian-sermons-deleted-by-youtube-without-any-warning

Popular YouTube Sermon Channel [SermonIndex] Shut Down
https://newcitytimes.com/news/story/popular-youtube-sermon-channel-sermonindex-shut-down


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 2017/2/1 12:30Profile
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 Re: PRAY: SermonIndex Youtube Channel Deleted without any notice by Youtube


i had no clue that any channel could be deleted after 3 complaints. Now that I know that, if I see something that is offensive, I know that I can complain about it. Just saying.


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 2017/2/1 12:46Profile
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Hi Greg,

Were you able to call YouTube or reply to the email that declined appeal email that they sent to you?

It would probably be helpful to news outlets to include YouTube's rationale for terminating your account.

*EDIT - It has crossed my mind that this might have been done as a response to the recent temporary moratorium on immigration from seven Muslim-majority nations by the Trump administration.

Remember: Google/Alphabet is the parent company of YouTube. On Monday, thousands of Google/Alphabet employees marched to protest the temporary travel restrictions.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/google-protests-trump-streets-trying-182333110.html

In one local interview, one of the employees marching complained that Christians receive "favorable" treatment by Trump. I would hope that this isn't some sort of retaliation motivated by angst from overzealous and bitter Google/Alphabet/YouTube employees.


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 2017/2/1 13:33Profile









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Popular YouTube Sermon Channel [SermonIndex] Shut Down
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It appears that the popular YouTube channel SermonIndex has been deleted by YouTube "due to multiple or severe violations of YouTube's policy against spam, deceptive practices, and misleading content or ther Terms of Service violations."
Community Policing

YT has a standard policy regarding complaints about channels: "Anyone on Youtube can submit a complaint, and YouTube will delete a channel after three strikes. No appeal. No questions asked." said Donny Soles, III a law student at Regent University. "This is YouTube's developed method of community policing."

Many people are sure to be upset about this, as the channel had accumulated 34+M views, 100k subscribers, and over 5k videos.

Greg Gordon, the channel owner and site owner of SermonIndex.net, submitted a complaint to YouTube but received a vague reply. "At this point I have to believe there is religious discrimination possibly involved and this does not seem normal to have no email warning or exact reason why the account is deleted." Greg explained on his forum asking for prayers.

Unfortunately, since YouTube has this community policing in place there may be no way of fighting back. The policy is there to allow community members to report any channels they feel are in violation of YT's guidelines, which is great for spam, pornography, etc. However it does leave any controversial channels vulnerable to attacks.

Perhaps SerminIndex will be able to build a case of an attack and get the channel restored (which had an estimated annual earnings of up to $30k). Other notable instances of videos being removed have gotten a lot of attention, and some were even being restored though with negative ramifications.

 2017/2/1 13:38
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I just noticed that the channel appears to be back up again!

https://www.youtube.com/user/sermonindex/

Praise God!


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 Re: This should be revisited in 3 months [UPDATED]

Praise God!

I think we need to be careful how we attribute the cause of the take down. Based on my research, the takedown was due to spam. The spamming came from those playlists I linked in my previous post.

I do not doubt that this was an attack by the Principalities and Powers but the nature, cause and method of the attack was different than many members attributed. Practically, the SermonIndex channel was taken advantage of by internet marketers and spammers to promote a movie. Their methods have taken advantage of many other popular items including celebrities, sports stars, movies and so on.

Now, in the process of this, we were faced with several important facts. First we saw how dear members of SI viewed the threat. Many directly pointed toward men who are known to be antagonistic to the Gospel. The other reaction was to turn to men to use influence to solve the problem. Both of these methods proved to be incorrect, it was just someone taking advantage of the goodwill towards SI to promote their stuff and they ended up stealing everything until the cause was discovered.

I'm very thankful I paid attention to what the Spirit was leading me to because before this all unfolded, I had started watching talks by a digital archivist named Jason Scott. Among other things the talks I watched included recovering the original development files for landmark games (on deteriorating magnetic media) and scam and con artists from the BBS days. In addition to alerting me to look for other causes for the takedown, it reminded me of the importance of getting the data of SI backed up securely and in multiple places. Interesting, Greg already has some of the SI content stored on archive.org. Perhaps, he should look at backing up the videos there too. (EDIT: I checked and Greg already has 828 videos uploaded to archive.org.)

I was thinking it might be smart to be careful how files are distributed and backed up across channels. It might be wise to remove links in the descriptions of the videos linking here. This is not isolate them from the wealth here but so it is harder to find them and eliminate them all at once. Ideally, the mirror files should have different meta-data and hashes as well.

I think more importantly, we should return to this issue in three months to look at what the Lord has done through this both to raise awareness for SI and in each one of us and whether we have taken this lesson to heart.

 2017/2/1 14:30Profile
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Saints,

Thank you for praying, it was prayer chiefly that helped bring the site back up. Youtube still gave only a very vague reply giving zero reasons why it went down. This should be a lesson to christian ministries including myself.

We are still going to explore and work on self-hosting the video files on SermonIndex. As well as encourage all the saints who started channels to mirror the content on youtube. We will support these channels and send followers to them.


Thank you to everyone that prayed and gave support by calling youtube or on social media posting about this.



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Perhaps SerminIndex will be able to build a case of an attack and get the channel restored (which had an estimated annual earnings of up to $30k). Other notable instances of videos being removed have gotten a lot of attention, and some were even being restored though with negative ramifications.



This has been fixed to read:

Perhaps SerminIndex will be able to build a case of an attack and get the channel restored (which had an estimated annual earnings of up to $30k - they monitize 5% of the videos at roughly $80 a month). Other notable instances of videos being removed have gotten a lot of attention, and some were even being restored though with negative ramifications.
https://newcitytimes.com/news/story/popular-youtube-sermon-channel-sermonindex-shut-down

So there is no confusion from saints that we are trying to make big bucks (which we could) from this youtube channel.





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