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I received this vague response from Youtube so right now there is
absolutely no reason to believe it was copyright infringement as it
could be other reasons such as hate speech or religious discrimation,
etc

At this point we are encouraging saints to forward this information to conservative news outlets that they can report on it. the SermonIndex Channel had 5000 videos with over 35 million views and 90.000 subcribers, one of the largest on youtube.



RE: [3-9681000015517]
account-appeal@youtube.com<account-appeal@youtube.com>
Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:23 PM

To: sermonindex@gmail.com
Cc: accounts-support@google.com

Hello,
Thank you for your account suspension appeal. We have decided to keep
your account suspended based on our Community Guidelines and Terms of
Service. Please visit http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines
for more information.


Sincerely,
The YouTube Team


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Some social media responses:

https://twitter.com/turnkit/status/826557501957083142

https://www.facebook.com/sermonindex/posts/10155872352729199

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=137916053384814&id=100014992608569


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 2017/1/31 18:03Profile
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Hi Greg,

I just got off of the phone with YouTube/Google (via their local number [1-650-253-0000] which has offices close to where I live). When I called, I selected to be transferred to issues with YouTube (which was done by dialing "3" with their automated system on the second or third prompt).

After a ten minute hold, I reached the telephone representative. I explained the issue (and gave the name of the channel) and asked why the channel was terminated. I also expressed my disappointment over its removal.

The YouTube rep couldn't give me any information (since I am not the channel owner), but suggested that it could have been flagged by disgruntled individuals visiting the site.

The representative did admit that an individual or group can sometimes target a particular channel for flagging, but couldn't say if that was the case here.

The rep suggested that you reply to the "appeal" email that you received, call them directly (between 9AM-5PM PST on Monday through Friday) or to use their Help forum.

I did voice my disappointment. I stated that -- without clarification -- it almost seems like this website was targeted on religious discriminatory grounds. I explained that the channel garners a lot of traffic too.

Either way, please keep us updated! This will remembered constantly in prayer!


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 2017/1/31 18:37Profile
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Suggested Tweet:

@YouTube please restore 5K Christian sermon videos viewed 35 million times around the world on @SermonIndex channel. #putitback


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 2017/1/31 20:13Profile
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Hi Greg
I would like to give you some advice but Im at a loss to say anything only that I am with you and will pray for some resolution.
This comes under the heading of Christian Persecution of that I am off no doubt.You know that you have our full support.
I Can see from the enemies point of view why its beneficial to have us off the air(youtube) as it is a great evangelical tool,a site where Christians and Non Christians visit.
Its the getting punished without been given the reason that hurts the most and the inability to hold them to account of their actions,
I will send an email to Youtube to complain just to add my name at least.My gut feeling but Im not saying this is from God is that its a strike back against the recent happenings in the USA by opposing views,
Our Sword is bigger than theirs,our sword has two edges,our sword doesnt corrupt in the heat of battle ,our sword is always victorious and our sword is living and will do for ever,Yours Hugh

 2017/1/31 21:27Profile
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I would seek council from the men at Calvary Chapel and Franklin Graham ministries.


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 2017/2/1 7:10Profile
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 Re: PRAY: SermonIndex Youtube Channel Deleted without any notice by Youtube

I did a search on YouTube for SermonIndex. I discovered several pages of [playlists] with site, the address, a shortened Google address in the channel description and a combination of random key words but the most common theme dealt with the punishment for adultery.

This is an example:

Quote:
Channel title: KUWAIT NATIONAL DAY 2014 Website: http://www.sermonindex.net | Twitter: http://goo.gl/f9i0R The work and ministry of sermonindex can be encapsulated
Owner/name: nguyen hoah
Description: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong speaking at National Day Rally 2015. The Rally was held on 23 August 2015 at ITE HQ & College Central in Singapore.



EDIT: On further investigation, there are lots of references to a Nigerian film called "END OF ADULTERY."

EDIT 2: There are two main accounts associated with these playlists,
1. 'Crybery' link: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCL_Yt12OTU0_DsqvbZ0cPsw
2. 'Comedy Central stand up' link: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCJDLHvvEHu6IIn78LC8pX5w
3. 'nguyen hoah' link: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC5OCI4-epuji5jbsq3-V1Kw

Crybery online has one video on it.

'Comedy Central stand up' has zero videos on its channel.

Nguyen hoah also has zero videos.

Another one named, This Is What You Came For, features pages and pages of playlists. Groups of about contain the same keyword but the same thumbnail.

EDIT 3: I checked the source channels for the other playlists, they are doing the exact same thing. None of the channels had more than 3 subscribers. They may all be made by the same person and subbed to each other.

Check it out for yourself. This should be good enough data to get SermonIndex forgiven, though it may take awhile.

I think the reaction to diversify the storage of the videos is wise. We should also work to keep regular archives around the country and around the world.

 2017/2/1 7:29Profile
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Brother,

Thank you for doing this research, I reported this to youtube on their form: https://support.google.com/accounts/contact/suspended?p=youtube&visit_id=1-636215024963968338-2137206447&rd=1

Trusting this might be the solution to see the channel come back.

This good brother posted a video on our channel being deleted letting others know and pray:

SermonIndex terminated on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqDXRecn2PQ


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We are encouraging saints to report this information to christian news sites and christian advocy websites:



Our entire SermonIndex.net channel was
removed without nofiication a few days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/user/sermonindex

it says on that page: "This account has been terminated due to
multiple or severe
violations of YouTube's policy against spam, deceptive practices, and
misleading content or other Terms of Service violations."

On further investigation, submitting a form to youtube I received the
more vague reply of the reason why the account was deleted. At this
point I have to believe there is religious discrimination possibly
involved and this does not seem normal to have no email warning or
exact reason why the account is deleted.

The Channel was the 34,000 largest on youtube and probably one of the
largest Christian sermon channels with over 34 million views and 5000+
videos with 90,000 subscribers.

the reply from Youtube was:


RE: [3-9681000015517]
account-appeal@youtube.com<account-appeal@youtube.com>
Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:23 PM

To: sermonindex@gmail.com
Cc: accounts-support@google.com

Hello,
Thank you for your account suspension appeal. We have decided to keep
your account suspended based on our Community Guidelines and Terms of
Service. Please visit http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines
for more information.


Sincerely,
The YouTube Team


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Some social media responses:

https://twitter.com/turnkit/status/826557501957083142

https://twitter.com/SomeoneHasToSay/status/826596325995249665

https://www.facebook.com/sermonindex/posts/10155872352729199

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=137916053384814&id=100014992608569



At this point I cannot but think this could be religious discrimation
and hate speech trigged by an attack from the enemy. We have been getting thousands to pray over this situation.


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 2017/2/1 8:44Profile
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Saints, share this news, it is the first large Christian site to report this:

Thousands Of Christian Sermons Deleted By YouTube Without Any Warning - https://hellochristian.com/6160-thousands-of-christian-sermons-deleted-by-youtube-without-any-warning


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We should keep in mind, it's very possible that just one person that has the ability to do this is responsible. For these reasons right here is why there should be alternative sites from YouTube and also Face Book, although i'm not on facebook so I don't know that much about it, but I don't think it would be that hard to have optional sites. These sites use their monopolies to voice their own political views, by removing content that don't line up to their views. Maybe someone should start a site called "ChristTube" or something similar, after all, if i'm lost, I would be more drawn to "ChristTube" than YouTube.


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