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Hello,

I agree that it is a bit presumptuous to consider it a "sin" to send your children to public schools.

Some parents do this because they have no other viable options. There are many homes where both parents are forced to work in order to "make ends meet" in this "new normal" economy. There are other families in which the children live in a broken home with the single parent being forced to work. In other families, the believing parent may be at odds with an unbelieving spouse. What about families in which the parents struggle to pay bills and cannot afford to pay tuition or fees at a private school or lack the funds to buy homeschooling materials?

Who is available to home-school those children?

The law simply requires that a child receive an education up to a certain age.

I think that parents and their children need to come to understand the possible outcomes from their educational choices. Consider the following:

1.) Do your children want to attend college?

The school -- whether public, private or home school -- that your child attended will undoubtedly be a factor in the assessment of your child's application to a college or university. It can also be a major factor for consideration in financial aid situations (e.g., scholarships, institutional scholarships, non-federal grants, etc.).

Schools often have what is known as a "school profile" that assists admissions officers and financial aid administrators with academic assessment. For instance, the fact that a student is ranked #2 out of ten seniors in their small, unaccredited private school might not matter as much as a student who is ranked #27 out of 300 graduating seniors in a public school (because #2 out of 10 is not in the "top ten percent" whereas #27 out of 300 is).

Many states have built-in opportunities for children that attend public schools. For instance, states like Tennessee and Georgia offer "HOPE scholarships" to successful students from ELIGIBLE high schools. Texas and a few other states implement a "top ten percent rule" in which students (again from ELIGIBLE high schools) graduate in the top ten percent of their class and have automatic admission into the state-funded university of their choice. States like California have a "statewide path" that provides guaranteed admission to a state public college or university if you're in the top nine percent of your class (in eligible schools). Most states also provide financial aid opportunities to those same students.

2.) Home school students have a difficult time in university acceptance.

It is not impossible for homeschooling graduates to go to college. There are many community colleges and even some state and private universities that will accept any viable student who meets minimum requirements. However, it is more difficult for such students at major colleges and universities.

Standardized test scores can go only so far. Now, if someone has really great standardized test scores as a result of their high school education, then their opportunities will obviously be greater. However, average scores (or even slightly above average scores) aren't enough to guarantee a spot in an incoming freshman class at many schools. In most schools, those standardized test scores are just one of several different criteria used to determine whether or not a student is admitted. In many instances, even very high test scores aren't enough to obtain acceptance at a good school.

3.) Not all public, private, parochial or home schools or programs are equal.

There are plenty of bad public schools in terms of both morality or academic performance. However, the same is true of private, parochial and home schools. I have known some brilliant students who graduated from church schools or home schools. However, I have also known quite a few students who had parents who didn't take their education seriously enough. I've known several students who went to church schools (where academic standards weren't upheld faithfully) who scored exceptionally low on standardized college admission tests like the SAT and ACT.

As TMK mentioned, there are kids who are schooled by their parents who might struggle in courses like math, science or even language arts. Jesus said, "A disciple is not above his teacher" (Matthew 10:24 NASB). If the teachers (in this case, parents) aren't adequate with certain subjects, then it may prove difficult for their children to adequately grasp those subjects -- especially for college readiness.

4.) GED's greatly limit a student's accessibility to college admission.

In many cases, the pool of students with GED's among an accepted freshmen class is very, very small. In many cases, colleges and universities will rarely even consider such students except with a very limited set of exceptions.

5.) There are alternatives to public, private, parochial and home schools.

While it is "home school" in traditional sense, some students are taught by tutors. This is a common part of public schools in which a child might be too sick or otherwise preoccupied (e.g., pregnant, actors/actresses, travelers, etc.). In some cases, the local public school district will allow the student to receive an official high school diploma from the district if the tutors work with the district. The fact that a student "graduated" as a result of tutors is better because it would exempt the student from class or school ranking identifiers in the college admission process.

There is a new concept that borrows from this idea and sort of reminds me of the educational equivalent of "house churches." There are localized organizations of what would otherwise be considered "home school" students that attend a makeshift classroom arranged by a group of parents and taught by a set of private tutors (often parents of the students themselves). If one parent has a math degree, another has a science degree, another has an English degree, etc. (and enough of them have or obtain teaching certification), then this is akin to private tutoring that resembles home schools. Gaps from the parents' or tutors' area of education can be complimented by alternate options (such as Khan Academy as PaulWest mentioned).

For instance, my wife has teaching certifications in which she is certified by the state of California and can teach general education (preschool through high school) as well as Math, Spanish, ESL and Special Education. If another parent has a degree in English and still another in a science, then three parents have the opportunity to "tutor" those children and solicit the local district to award degrees.

Moreover, there are private and public charter schools in many states that are very good alternatives. One of my wife's siblings is a principal at one of U.S. News and World Report's top high schools in America (which happens to be a public charter). It is not as large as a traditional high school and it has many Christian students and teachers. It also enjoys a 100% college admission rate too.

6.) Higher education isn't a requirement for financial success.

This might be a taboo statement to some people. However, a person does not HAVE to go to college in order to obtain financial success. Recently, we had an issue with our hot water. I wasn't sure if we needed a new hot water heater, so we called a plumber. While he was there, I was on the phone with my niece (my wife's oldest brother's daughter) who had some questions about her impending semester. She had recently been awarded a major scholarship that will cover ALL of her expenses -- tuition, fees, room, board, supplies, travel, etc. -- all the way through a doctorate degree.

After I hung up, the plumber asked me about the conversation. I mentioned my niece and her scholarship. He mentioned that he sometimes wishes that he attended college, but that he was satisfied with his decisions. He told me that plumbing was much more lucrative than what he probably would have made if he had gone to college and majored in most of the fields that he was interested in. In fact, the guy was earning a surprisingly high income -- even by Silicon Valley standards.

In other words, a person can learn some vocational trades without the need for a formal college or university education. In many cases, college students accrue enormous amounts of debt (in the form of student loans) if they didn't find funding for college. A student who borrows $100,000 to get a degree in education will be $100,000 in debt before they even start a career. It will take decades to pay off that debt. However, a person who learns a trade through an apprenticeship can begin earning immediately and usually without any debt.

It doesn't take a degree to open a business. In many cases, it simply takes a small fee to pay for the license, insurance (sometimes optional) and the know-how to make that business successful.

Unfortunately, American society has pushed children into higher education without giving them the time to consider whether it is what they really want to do. Consequently, student loan debt has now surpassed $1 Trillion and the unemployment rate (or underemployment rate) is high even for college graduates.

7.) Parents should pray with their children for the direction of the Lord when it comes to education or jobs.

Parents should be open, honest and, of course, clear about the advantages and disadvantages of higher education.

That said: My wife and I haven't been forced to face such a decision yet. However, my wife would like to educate our children at home at least through elementary school. This is interesting in that she has been a public school teacher (and has taught at the university, community college, high school and middle school levels). My wife's family is very big on education too. Among my wife's siblings, all of them have college degrees and seven of them have post-graduate degrees. My wife and six of her siblings (as well as several of their spouses) have worked in education.

I do not think that it is a "sin" to send your children to public schools. Some people have no viable alternative.

Remember: Children (and adults) have different learning styles. Some are good at learning on their own. Others aren't better in a formal classroom setting.


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Christopher

 2016/9/17 14:59Profile
Sree
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 Re: Righteous shall live by Faith

Last year, before I came to USA, I was so scared about bringing up my kids in USA. It is definitely 1000 times easier to bring up your children in India than here. There is no restriction on disciplining the children in India, the schools are far better and higher standard. The Children are far more respectful to their parents even though they come from heathen families. I heard a verse in the Church I attended in India. A brother shared about how Joseph was asked to raiseup Jesus in Nazareth. Nazareth was such an evil place that time, even Nathaniel could not believe that something good can come out of this place. But Jesus came from there. So the situation that we live or our surroundings can do nothing to us if we live by faith. Joseph lived by faith and settled there.

I took this word and said, Lord if you want me to bring up my children in US then I will do it by faith just like how Joseph.

I understand the public school system here is also like that. It has evil influence on Children but if we parents have faith then we can bring up our children there in a Godly way.

A very Godly brother I know was once asked this question about putting their children in schools that teach against our belief. He said there is nothing wrong in going to such schools. In fact it will pave an opportunity for parents to teach the right thing. If we as Christian parent are not able to bring Godly influence on our children and blame the external influence then we are to put our head in shame.

I applied for my daughter in public school for PreK, in Dallas Tx, only under privileged children get into public school. They interviewed my kid and decided that she is well advanced to study there. Hence now I spend so much extra money to put her in a Church School. Next year, I will definitely put her in Public school in faith.


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 2016/9/17 18:04Profile
proudpapa
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We are convinced of the unschooling approach to education.
Of course from a Christian perspective and not from a secular perspective as is the case with many unschoolers.

Though a secularist : John Taylor Gatto has done a great deal of research and provides a great deal of information concerning the men and there agendas originally behind america's compulsory schools.

Add : As far as college is concerned : neither myself nor my wife have any desire for that to be in the future of our children.
If God Calls any of them to a field that requires a college degree, than He will open those doors.

edit : clarity

add: By my Family not sending our children to public (tax payer funded) schooling we will be saving the tax payers $ 35,000 a year

(Supposing that it does not increase in the 13 years that they would be there.) (which it will)

That would total almost a half a million dollars of tax payer money that will not be wasted on the account of my family.
$455,000.




 2016/9/18 0:43Profile
savannah
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 Re: Warning



Please read this article, and prayerfully consider the things which are eternal...your children's souls!

http://www.hisglory.us/Articles/public_schools_book.htm

From the author of the article;

I recall the time that I went to an evangelistic meeting where the now-deceased Keith Green was ministering in music and the Word. I walked out because I felt that he was harsh, uncaring, and did not understand the grace of God. Two years later the Lord got hold of me and revealed areas in my sinful life that showed me that what Keith Green preached was exactly what I needed to hear. The problem was not with Keith Green-but with me.

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 2016/9/18 6:10Profile
mama27
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 Re:

Thank you, Savannah, for having the courage to post this. We are indeed responsible for our children's souls, as much as in our control.

 2016/9/18 8:53Profile
proudpapa
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 Re: Some of the things that I learned in 13 years of public schooling.

One of the first things that I learned was the social class system.

Our kindergarten's had a morning and a afternoon depending on the location of your home. If you lived on one side of the railroad tracks you went to kindergarten in the morning.
If you lived on another side of the railroad tracks you went to school in the afternoon.

I had some cousins that went to school in Iowa, That school separated the students by those whom recieved free lunch vs those whom paid for there lunch.

In first grade we where consolidated togather into class rooms.
In these class rooms we where placed into 3 groups the A group the B group and the C group.

At 6 years old it was well recognized that you associated with those within your group.

I was in the B group which envied to be placed in the A group and feared to be placed in the C group.

It was well understood at 6 years old that those of us in B group where superior to those in the C group and us in the B group where inferior to those in A group

After the first grade, Students where than put into classes based on end of the year test. How you scored on these test is mostly what determined your placement.




 2016/9/18 9:33Profile









 Re: ON THE 'SIN' OF SENDING KIDS TO PUBLIC SCHOOL

oh no.

 2016/9/18 14:54
proudpapa
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 Re: Some of the things that I learned in 13 years of public schooling. continued

Another thing I learned from 13 years of public education was what it is to be bullied.

My first recalled encounter was at 5 or 6 years old.
I was assigned by the school bus driver the third seat behind the driver.
A fourth grade african american boy told me to move.
Not wanting to be in trouble with the driver, I pressed close to the window instead of switching seats at which time the fourth grader proceeded to intimidate and beat on me.
A day or so latter the fourth grader did apologize to me and was nice to me from then on, I still to this day do not know what caused him to apologize to me.

Any thing that separates you from the norm becomes an area of harassment in that environment,
Mine was my accent, I took a great deal of ridicule, harassment and name calling because of it.

This harassment led to me receiving a 3rd degree concussion by a much larger bully in the seventh grade.
It happened on the basket ball court during the lunch hour no teacher saw it , The students picked me up and carried me to my class and set me in the desk at which time I woke up.

I could write on and on about the harassment and abuse that I and others recieved in the public school system.

That is no environment for my children!


 2016/9/18 15:59Profile
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 Re: proudpapa & mama27




proudpapa & mama27,

Did either of you happen to read the article from the hisglory website I linked?

Thanks so much for your contributions to this thread, and for showing appreciation for this vital issue of the education of our children.

 2016/9/19 10:51Profile
mama27
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 Re:

I only skimmed it as I own the original book it was taken from. It was the foundation of how we raised our children. They range in age from 21-33. I would do the same if I had it to do over, and the times are considerably worse.

 2016/9/19 12:46Profile





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