Personally, I think Jim Fowler does an excellent job of laying out the differing views. Of course, he leans heavily on the Triumphalist View and so do I.http://www.christinyou.net/pages/revintro.htmlThe real issue is not whether we "get it" that is, get the Revelation all figured out. The real issue is whether He "gets us," and we discern what He, as Lord, wants to be and do in our lives, by His grace. The issue is not whether we know the combatants in the pictured battles, but rather whether we know the One who is the Victor, whether we "know" Jesus Christ.