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Sidewalk
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 Re: I apologize!

Silly me, thinking Americans are generous!

You always read about Socialist countries of Europe rushing all their aircraft carriers to the aid of tsunami victims around the world, treating their physical trauma at no cost in the modern medical facilities on board, and turning thousands of gallons of sea water into fresh.

Or all those countries who sent aid to America for hurricanes Katrina and Sandy.

Mostly Muslim countries as I recall??

Sound of pins dropping...



Here is my point. It is Christianity imbedded into a country's culture that produces generosity, it is the nature and character of a Christian worldview that treasures the individual lives of humans wherever they live. Of course the world is selfish and corrupt, but true Christianity confronts that and causes even the worst of sinners to participate, some with great reluctance, in generous causes.

In America, the demands of government placed on discretionary income have hindered the amount people give, but they give anyway. They over-pay at bake sales, send annual checks to the Salvation Army and the Red Cross, buy lemonade from the kid on the lawn in front of his house.

When there is a local emergency or tragedy, Americans step up, wallets open. Where do you think that comes from? I believe it comes from a heritage of Christianity. Overwhelmingly Americans "believe in God" while living in all manner of Godless pursuits. The divorce rate among born again believers is about the same as for the general population, many churches never mention the issues of homosexual marriage or abortion. Ask an average "Christian" about their prayer life and you will get either a yawn or a chuckle. Americans on the whole are anything but on fire for God.

The giving is probably in decline as the Christian heritage fades into distant memory. But it is a testimony to the great value Christianity bestows on a people who embrace it, though their children in time discard it.

America is probably very deep into that phase, but I will trumpet old school American values as long as I have breath. Giving to the needy means I see the needy, care about their plight, have enough wisdom to realize that when I give, I receive a blessing on another level.

Love that is real can do no less, and love is His command.


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Tom Cameron

 2014/7/29 18:51Profile
ginnyrose
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 Re: When in US history did the shift begin...

Mary Jane,

I understand your question because as a mom we lament the downward spiral of decency, morality and we have children (or grandchildren) that we are raising in the hope they will be able to withstand the rudeness, the immorality that stalks them. We are at odds with everyone - or so it seems. We are like a baby David that is facing a huge Goliath - a David that is just learning to walk. Our task is threatened even by those who claim to be Christians.

We grew up in an era where the term homosexuality was not even understood by teens! If a couple was fornicating they were frowned upon, not celebrated! A pregnant single girl was hauled off to an unwed mother's home and the child put up for adoption. It was a shame for a single girl to have a child - today it is celebrated with ohs and ahs and baby showers. And homosexuality? I am sure it was done but if it was it was only spoken of in whispers.

Courtesy was taught; thank-yous were expected when an act of kindness was done to us. Older people were deferred to. We were taught responsibility. Yes, the public persona was highly polished and protected.

But.

The Preacher tells us in Ecclesiastes 7:10: "Do not say, “Why is it that the former days were better than these?”
For it is not from wisdom that you ask about this."

May I suggest that back then people were skilled in hiding their sins, polishing their public image to a shine? Then when the 1960s came with the hippie movement where the cry was to let it all hang out and morality be hanged there was a ready made generation that was delighted to do so. Then with the help of skilled entrepreneurs - using musicians - they marketed it as something desirable. Sin has gone to seed and there are too many who work to redeem this sinful seed instead of rooting it out and in the process perpetuate it even more.

Still, as moms we wonder what happened that hastened the downward spiral into depravity where it is celebrated and marketed as being normal and where decency, morality is considered unworkable.

Many posters here gave the overall view of what contributed to this situation and I agree it is greed but what does this look like where we live? Many experts will tell you that during WW2 many females, including moms entered the marketplace - got a job outside the home, leaving the children to fend for themselves. This accelerated in the recent 50 years. Children are left to themselves with the idiot box teaching them morality. Since this is the case why are people surprised when children mimic what they are taught via the tube? Adults are no longer shocked with nudity, murder, violence or strife - it is commonplace: people have become used to the dark.

Methinks that if we moms can identify the things that work against us in our mothering it will help us in how we teach our children and what we allow them to see and who they associate with. And we certainly are hoping dad will be there giving leadership to help mom teach her children what it means to walk with the LORD and help them to identify evil when it rears its head.

My understanding...

God bless, you Mary Jane.

Sandra



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Sandra Miller

 2014/7/29 18:59Profile
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Greetings Ginnyrose

Thank you for your response. I agree mom going into the work force during WWII played a huge part I think in the breaking down of the family unit. I also agree that children being left to themselves is another example of where we went wrong. And now we have today's government run day care system that only works to erode away the notion of right and wrong and instead teaches what ever makes you happy is ok. We have an entire generation of people who are living for self and sin.

You mentioned unwed mothers and I was reading this morning about how the advancement of birth control has played a very negative role in the deterioration of the family as well. Women's attitudes about being chaste until marriage changed once contraceptives became common and acceptable. Today the pill is a huge money maker and doctors prescribe it to little girls as young as twelve years of age even though it is so terribly bad for you. The world tells women that the pill offers them freedom over their bodies all the while it is silently putting their health at very serious risk.

Thanks for sharing you wisdom here with us. I agree with what you said about the sixties as well. It was all about rebellion and bringing that rebellion out into the open and making it acceptable.

God bless
maryjane

 2014/7/29 19:36Profile









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Sidewalk writes.........

"It is Christianity imbedded into a country's culture that produces generosity, it is the nature and character of a Christian worldview that treasures the individual lives of humans wherever they live."

Christianity was totally and fully imbedded into Britain. Britain sent missionaries around the world. Britain aided many countries in their day. Britain is now a post Christian country. People have their favorite ism's , none of it is of God. We may worship our own particular culture, wherever we come from, but again none of it is of God. God transcends culture as do His children who see themselves as citizens of another kingdom and as ambassadors to the world......bro Frank

 2014/7/29 20:19
ginnyrose
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Mary Jane, reading your response reminds me of another vaccine the gov is promoting and it angers me. It is one that supposedly protects one from four different strains (there are 100) of Human papillomavirus. This is just something else the pharm industry is imposing upon the people that encourages promiscuity while at the same time they are feathering their own nest. All this deception, profiteering at the expense of the young is causing me to lose trust in the pharmaceutical industry. I am about as angry as one can get without sinning!

I wonder how much worse can mankind get before God will say, "IT IS ENOUGH!"

Mary Jane, when I see how wickedness is celebrated, promoted - even in churches - I am glad I am not a young person but am instead a few years from my three score and ten.

May you young parents feel and experience the mercy and grace of God in a new, fresh way as you raise your children for the LORD.

Sandra


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Sandra Miller

 2014/7/29 21:23Profile
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Brother Frank wrote:

"Christianity was totally and fully imbedded into Britain. Britain sent missionaries around the world. Britain aided many countries in their day."


May I suggest that Britain used missionaries to attain entrance into spheres of economic interests. Britain did not help countries but conquered countries. The British forced China to accept opium as a means of exchange for tea and other fine goods. They sent steam driven gunboats to enforce their importation of opium upon the people of China.

Babylon was alive and well at the height of British Imperial rule.


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Jeff Marshalek

 2014/7/30 7:01Profile
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 Re: sending missionaries

I don't know how many missionaries Great Britain sent, or to what imperialist purposes, but the ones God sent were fantastic. Gladys Aylward comes to mind- few would suspect her of being a covert British agent.

Derek Prince is another, certainly not much of an advocate for the Royal Church of England.

I recently had an interesting phone conversation with a delightful man from Africa who was looking to set up meetings here in Southern California. His name was Brother Isaac, and I asked him what he was doing.

Very simple. He is a missionary from Africa to the lost souls of America.

Sobering....


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Tom Cameron

 2014/7/30 11:05Profile
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 Re:

"When in history did the shift begin?"




There is a common theme throughout the Scriptures which speak of the righteousness or the wickedness of the people. In Amos we see these attributes of those who have the power over the people...


Amo 8:4
Hear this, you who swallow up [fn] the needy,
And make the poor of the land fail,


Amo 8:5
Saying:

“When will the New Moon be past,
That we may sell grain?
And the Sabbath,
That we may trade wheat?
Making the ephah small and the shekel large,
Falsifying the scales by deceit,

Amo 8:6
That we may buy the poor for silver,
And the needy for a pair of sandals—
Even sell the bad wheat?”



Look around you in this generation do you see what the Prophet Amos is describing?

"even sell the bad wheat" = today, even sell the derivatives based on a pool of subprime home loans. Just an example


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Jeff Marshalek

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Rookie writes.........

"Babylon was alive and well at the height of British Imperial rule."

That was exactly my point brother. I was comparing Britain to the USA. Britain certainly crushed and conquered many peoples. This was how the European conquered the continent of North America, by crushing people and enslaving people. 12 Million African slaves, the Indian nations robbed and cheated and killed. Texas and California by war and conquest. Whether it is Britain or America, greed and capitalism rule supreme in the hearts of men. There is the kingdom of men and then there is the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God does not depend upon the nations of men and never has done.......bro Frank

 2014/7/30 13:21
Sidewalk
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Frank my brother! Whoa, easy big fella!

You need to go see Dinesh D'Sousa's film America, and get some perspective. You have been listening to too much leftist dirt, and have perhaps not noticed some of the sweet flowers that God has grown in the manure!

Greed and Capitalism are not synonymous! From the Proverbs 31 woman to Jesus's parables about the minas, wealth is not inherently evil. Even Solomon who sought wisdom over wealth was given great wealth by the hand of God. What men do with wealth is where the judgment comes to the fore, but wealth is the core of prosperity and God is not afraid of our being prosperous. (Word of faith folks have twisted this, but that is another study.)

As I have mentioned before, prosperity is a three legged stool of opportunity, energy, and morality. All three must be present or wealth will exercise its power to destroy.

Beware the leaven of not only the Pharisees, but also of the gnostics. The world and all its resources are given to man for our wellbeing and joy, it is not inherently evil.


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