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| | Re: Verses that speak of the law of Christ | | 1 Cor.19-22
For though I am free from all
men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. To the Jews I became like a Jew, so that I might win Jews, to those who are under the Law, as under the Law THOUGH NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER THE LAW, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, THOUGH NOT BEING WIITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD BUT UNDER THE LAW OF CHRIST so that I might win those who are without law, To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak, I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some
Caps are for emphasis only.
Brethren two things that I have put in caps to emphasize in the above verses.
First Paul says that he was not under the Mosaic Code.
Second Paul says not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ.
Thus Paul clearly sets forth a change in law relationship after his conversion to Christ. He sees himself as being governed by Christ and not by Moses.
Paul used the same term in Gal. 6:2 where he exhorts his hearers to bear one another's burdens and thus fulfill the law of Christ.
I believe the law of Christ is found in Mat. 22:34-40 where he states that the greatest commandments are love of God and love of neighbor. .
Thus Paul declares that we are under a different law. The law of Christ, sometimes referred to as the law of love.
I believe this substantiates that we are governed by Christ and not by Moses.
Blaine
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|  2014/8/12 14:18 | | rookie
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| | Re: | | Brother Blaine wrote:
Thus Paul declares that we are under a different law. The law of Christ, sometimes referred to as the law of love.
God has always required of man that he love God and out of that relationship man would love one another. This precept was established by God when Christ created Adam and Eve.
The law of Christ does change the circumstances of man, in that, without the Spirit, man cannot please God. Therefore man cannot fulfill God's demand of man...that man love God.
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| | 2014/8/12 14:39 | Profile |
| | Re: A Further Elaboration | | In Mark 12:38-42 where Jesus is answering the scribe regarding the two greatest commandments. Mark gives a further elaboration.
The scribe reaffirms Christ`s answer that the two greatest commandments are love of God and love of neighbor. When Jesus saw that he answered wisely. He told him you are not far from the kingdom of God.
I think Mark`s added commentary bears much weight. In light of the discussion on the other thread about the Sermon on the Mount being our guide for how to.live out the reality of the kingdom of Christ in our hearts. The two main laws of this kingdom our love of God and love of neighbor. This in essence is the law of Christ.
Jesus further expounds on this in John 13:34-35 where He commands his disciples to love one another as He has loved them.
So how has He loved them. In John 15:13 Jesus answers greater love has no one than this that he lay down his life for his friends.
Thus the law of Christ, the law of love, is self sacrificial love. It is a love that requires us to lay down our lives for others. This ties back into the other thread that we are to love our enemies. Even to the point of laying down our lives for them.
This is the law that we as believers in Christ are governed by. Thus we are governed by the self sacrificial love of Jesus Christ and not external obedience to the code of Sinai.
Thus we governed by Christ and not by Moses.
My thoughts.
Blaine Scigin |
| | 2014/8/12 14:42 | |
| | Re: | | My brothers good discussion but must stand down now. Hope to.join you later.
Blaine |
| | 2014/8/12 14:44 | | yuehan
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| | Re: | | Something I came across by a guy called Dustin Horstmann:
"People of all world religions and philosophies can make quality decisions to do the right thing based on a moral standard.
But Christians have victory through Christ and therefore embrace Him, the Root of all their fruit (holy motives, quality decisions and efforts).
Christians are meant to understand so much more than a standard of living. They are meant to know the Life of Jesus Christ.
Without Christ, holiness degrades into self-righteousness, hypocrisy and defeat.
Jesus is not simply an example, but the very Source of victory and new Life. He is the bread from Heaven. He came to set people free from sin, from not being truly loving. We must know Him in this short Life. We must proclaim Him in this short life. Not ourselves. Man always sets himself up as the answer, appealing to fallen cravings, leading to a Lifeless life.
We must proclaim Christ! It's when eyes are set on Him that the Spirit moves, that everything makes sense, that Life happens. O Life, you cannot mistake it. You cannot argue with it. It takes you into its arms.
Embrace it. Embrace Jesus Christ."
His testimony on how these truths instantly set him free from pornography addiction - in two parts:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12776628/dustinandsunny.com/testimony-session1.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12776628/dustinandsunny.com/testimony-session2.pdf
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| | 2014/8/12 14:49 | Profile | brothagary
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| | Re: | | i tink is realy a dead issue in this fourm as we all believe in the bible and agree with all the verses givern here ,and we all know are are not under the law ofmoses as the children of isral are ,,but what oraca and i are trying to say and that which is seems to be igrored is that there are many quots from the new testament that are direct quots from the mosaic law ,,can we have here will to adress those verses and give and exposision on them
eph
2HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER (which is the first commandment with a promise), 3SO THAT IT MAY BE WELL WITH YOU, AND THAT YOU MAY LIVE LONG ON THE EARTH.
be great if one could start with this verse |
| | 2014/8/12 15:46 | Profile |
| | Re: | | Looks excellent. Downloading it now.
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| | 2014/8/12 15:47 | | Oracio
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| | Re: | | Quote:
1 Cor.19-22
For though I am free from all
men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. To the Jews I became like a Jew, so that I might win Jews, to those who are under the Law, as under the Law THOUGH NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER THE LAW, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, THOUGH NOT BEING WIITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD BUT UNDER THE LAW OF CHRIST so that I might win those who are without law, To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak, I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some
Caps are for emphasis only.
Brethren two things that I have put in caps to emphasize in the above verses.
First Paul says that he was not under the Mosaic Code.
Second Paul says not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ.
Thus Paul clearly sets forth a change in law relationship after his conversion to Christ. He sees himself as being governed by Christ and not by Moses.
Paul used the same term in Gal. 6:2 where he exhorts his hearers to bear one another's burdens and thus fulfill the law of Christ.
When Paul says, "to those who are without law, as without law, THOUGH NOT BEING WIITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD BUT UNDER THE LAW OF CHRIST so that I might win those who are without law", Paul is speaking of Gentiles who were without the Mosaic law(which includes the entire Old Covenant "law-system", including the civil and ceremonial laws).
But he clarifies what he means when he says, "though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ." In other words, Paul is saying that even though he is not under the Mosaic law-system, he is still not WITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD(meaning the eternal moral law) and he calls it the law of Christ. Again, Christ upheld and enforced the moral law of God as something unchanging in nature.
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I believe the law of Christ is found in Mat. 22:34-40 where he states that the greatest commandments are love of God and love of neighbor. .
Thus Paul declares that we are under a different law. The law of Christ, sometimes referred to as the law of love.
But where is Christ quoting that from, and why? Still no answer :)
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| | 2014/8/12 16:01 | Profile |
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Bro the law of Christ is not the law of Moses. In those Corithian passages Paul is making a distinction between the Mosaic Law and the law of Christ.
Paul, being of Jewish background, would have understood the Mosaic law as one whole unit. He would not have arbitrarily devided it into civil, ceremonial, and moral. It would be good to get Hezwelling`s take on this as he is a Jew who follows Jesus.
Just because Paul is quoting out of the Old Testament does not make it binding on the believer. If the O.T. is quoted in the N.T. It is a Christ centered truth to be lived out in the reality of Jesus.
My understanding. The Old Testament is the word of God. But meant for Israel. Binding only on Israel. The New Testament is binding only on the believer in Jesus. For the New Testament is the greater revelation.
Blaine |
| | 2014/8/12 16:22 | | havok20x
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| | Re: | | Brother Blaine,
What particular passages was Paul talking about when he said,
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All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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