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From there on it was up to them to continually seek the Lord by faith for ongoing infillings. The ongoing infillings would have continually refined and refreshed them into the image of Christ. How is that?


you got it!! :-)

Slipping into pedant mode briefly... the 'be being filled' is a process I am sure, but there are some events recorded in the Acts where individuals and groups of people experienced a 'filling' which was distinct from either Baptism-in-Spirit or the 'be being filled' experience.

remaining in pedant mode...
refining? now what do you have in mind here?


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Ok- once again... The bible teaches that when God saves a man THAT MAN WILL BE SAVED in the last day- otherwise that man was never saved.


1 John 3:6 "Whoever (unrepentantly bathes in) sins has neither seen Him nor known Him."




1 Peter 1:4, 5 "4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

John 3:16 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life;"

John 5:24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

1 John 5:13 "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life,[a] and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God."

John 6:39 "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day."

John 10:28-29 "28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand."

Eph 1:13, 14 "having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,"

Phil 1:6 "6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;"

Romans 6:14 "14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace."

Phil 2:13 "for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure."

1 John 2:19 "19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

Romans 8:38-39 "38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."




Let me explain...



Philippians 1:6
"being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ" IT IS CHRIST WHO BEGAN.

Phil 2:12-13 "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." IT IS GOD WHO WORKS.


1 John 2:19
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us." All who have ever fallen away(permanently) were never saved in the first place.


******If you are TRULY saved(justified) you will continue being saved(sanctified) and will finally be saved(glorified).

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1 John Cpts 2 & 3

"3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked."


"4 Whoever commits(pratices) sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."
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God hates sin and somebody who loves sin consequently hates God and is lost. If you are saved you will strive to be holy.

1 Peter 1:16
"because it is written, "Be holy, for I am holy.""

Hebrews 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

A real conversion is when somebody REPENTS of all thier sin (by the power of God). Turns away from all of it and experiences a radicaly changed life in love for God. If they don't perservere they were not saints. If somebody lives in and practices sin, they are lost.

Its not that by your works you are saved but if you are saved you have works! Otherwise you have a dead faith!

James 2:20
"But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?"

James 2:26
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."


"Once saved always saved" This phrase is devastating to people who twist things to thier own destruction. The question really is...

2 Corinthians 13:5
"Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified."

2 Peter 1:10
"Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble"

WERE YOU SAVED? DID YOU REALLY CHANGE? ARE YOU LIVING IN SIN? DO YOU PRACTICE UNRIGHTEOUSNESS? HAVE YOU BEEN SAVED?????

Repent, believe, have faith in God, trust Christ's sacrifice, be "Born Again" (or regenerated), follow Christ, obey God, love God, know God, seek God, fear God all the days of your life. Do all these things with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. Salvation is by Grace, through faith, in Christ Alone. Be converted! (Provided by God)
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John 10:29
Romans 8:38-39
Ephesians 1:13-14

"Unless I am convinced by Scripture and by plain reason and not by Popes and councils who have so often contradicted themselves, my conscience is captive to the word of God. To go against conscience is neither right nor safe. I cannot and I will not recant. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me." -Martin Luther


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remaining in pedant mode...
refining? now what do you have in mind here?



Romans 12:2 primarily. I don't know if you would agree with me here, it just seems that as believers we are growing in the knowledge of Christ and as we grow in that knowledge we are more able to conformed to Him. This is not to say that we are growing in our willingness to submit to God. Sin itself is dealt with. I believe that Spirit Baptism takes care of that for the most part. But there are things about us that are not like Christ and we discover them by revelation. With that revelation comes the opportunity to change. So in that sense I see a refining taking place also. Our mind needs to be renewed. Thoughts have to be cast down as well as strongholds. Wrong ideas about God that have to change in order for us to rightly represent Christ, etc. So in this is see a refining process; not in the same sense as would be silver, but more like a portrait on a canvas or an image in photoshop. I'll get the helmet... ;-)


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GraceAlone said

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A real conversion is when somebody REPENTS of all thier sin (by the power of God). Turns away from all of it and experiences a radicaly changed life in love for God. If they don't perservere they were not saints. If somebody lives in and practices sin, they are lost.

Isn't this what Ron explained in his last-post-but-one, when he said

'I see many possible steps including repentance and genuine faith as prerequisites of regeneration rather than its consequence'?

 2007/5/15 11:49
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Our mind needs to be renewed. Thoughts have to be cast down as well as strongholds. Wrong ideas about God that have to change in order for us to rightly represent Christ, etc. So in this is see a refining process; not in the same sense as would be silver, but more like a portrait on a canvas or an image in photoshop. I'll get the helmet...


No need... just yet...
There is a Biblical metaphor which I sometimes think we overuse when we look for God as a refining fire. The purpose of refining is to remove impurities and some have an mental image of a life-long refining process in which impurities are constantly surfacing in the heat of God's working and which then need to be scouped out of the crucible. We forget that the refining of silver is not a life-long process but the work of an intense hour. :-)


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a life-long refining process in which impurities are constantly surfacing in the heat of God's working



What would folk mean by 'impurities' who held to such notions?


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What would folk mean by 'impurities' who held to such notions?


Usually, unresolved habits and dispositions.


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Usually, unresolved habits and dispositions.



I think I know what you mean. I hope this anecdote is not out of line; but, a man explains to the pastor why he threw into a fit rage that it was, "The Irishman in me coming out." The pastor's reply was to the effect of getting the 'Irishman' saved. I actually had a guy say once who was recently converted and was highly angered that he had not been saved [i]that[/i] long. Sounds like some 'dispositions' still needed changing.


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"The Irishman in me coming out."


There is no doubt that what is within will come out, hence the need for a new heart.


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philologos wrote:
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"The Irishman in me coming out."


There is no doubt that what is within will come out, hence the need for a new heart.



When has God ever given anyone, a new heart?

 2007/5/15 18:08





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