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Tom, Islam is but one of many demonic venues by which Satan operates. If you go to India it is Hinduism. In Myanmar or Burma it us Bhuddism in America it is secular humanism. China it is Marxism and so on.

Islam is controlled by a demonic spirit. But I do not see it as tbe religion of the antichrist you assert. But whatever venue Satan uses to deceive people. Our answer must be the gospel of love which is centered on tbe death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

My thoughts.

Bearmaster.

 2012/10/21 9:32
twayneb
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There is an eschatology that teaches that Islam will be the one world religion and that the anti Christ well be Islamic.

to the heart of the matter, while out is true that Islam is a false religion who's origins and promulgation are demonic, the people deceived by this religion are no different than the people that live on my street. they are lost souls who have been taught a lie and who need Jesus.

It seems that in the places where they are most radical they are kept on illiteracy and ignorance and are manipulated by leadership that, in my opinion, are probably controlled by demons.

praise God for brave men and women in these areas that carry the truth of the gospel to these precious souls.


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Travis

 2012/10/21 10:18Profile









 The Way I see it today, but even if I'm right, and lose Jesus' love??

"Tom, Islam is but one of many demonic venues by which Satan operates. If you go to India it is Hinduism. In Myanmar or Burma it us Buddhism in America it is secular humanism. China it is Marxism and so on.

Islam is controlled by a demonic spirit. But I do not see it as the religion of the Antichrist you assert. But whatever venue Satan uses to deceive people. Our answer must be the gospel of love which is centered on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ."...Bearmaster

Absolutely Bearmaster! Amen....[ and Twayneb, I respect your views...]....The Gospel is about saving the Lost. There were 1300 Satanic Temples in Rome at the time of Paul the Apostle, and every one worshipped another demon than the other, and deception is a big thing. Counting the ways that Satan can deceive is like counting the stars; too many to count.

For the record I have preached the Gospel multiple times in Hindi India, Marxist China, and materialistic America, and have witnessed massive deliverance among the Buddhists with demons departing with screams. By grace, I have seen Muslims born again too.

These lies are all opposed by the Holy Spirit.....and let us remember that the Holy Spirit opposes them too; This is why the Gospel is a WAR....and a wrestling. Otherwise, you probably are not ministering the real Gospel, or, you too are deceived.

In the end, we will see, and I am not the Word of the Lord...but just a prophetic brother offering my views about the future, and which way the wind is blowing, as I see it.

Islam is the only logical choice as the home of their Anti-Christ, and it is expanding and has all the marks of world dominion....[ 1.4 BILLION souls of date,] and the only religion that will murder you for converting or believing, and in it's militancy slaughters hundreds DAILY!...for daring to refuse to submit to it's demands in Sharia.

Consider the symbolism and the typology revealed in the Revelation of John; NO MAN will get it all down completely, or gather it in a perfect order, but the real goal is to perfectly love and fear the Master Jesus; and out of this there will come a day when we will see through a clear crystal and KNOW!....but we are commanded to attain understanding now too.********************

"And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done."**********

I still believe that this is Islam, and describes it's Anti-Christ....and we are a lot further down the road than we would ever believe, and close to a day when suddenly a hammer will come down upon us, and the persecution THEN will be so terrific that we will be stunned.....and remember....Radical Islam is merciless.....and feels anointed when they murder the infidel. [ JIHAD; The path to their lust filled Heaven.]

Love the sinner, and hate the sin, and YES...Jesus died for all of the wicked...be it the wicked Muslim or the wicked Jew or the wicked Methodist here in America. I need to learn how to love in reality, not just pontificate, and I am working on that.[ mercy please]


 2012/10/22 3:33









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Wow, I hear a lot of glorifying Islam in these postings guys.

There IS going to be a mighty revival that will shake the foundations of the earth. Masses of people will be swept into God's mercy worldwide.

Right now, the Church looks weak, frail, she looks like she can barely keep her own. But that will change.

God is working on His people in the secret places, when the swift current of His grace and power starts to flow faster, we which are alive and remaining shall be caught up together in this swift current of power that God is doing in the earth.

We are calling that we need to pray more, we need to do this that and the other more, that will come, it must come. There is always a people that will seek the face of God for change.

Right now, we are seeking the wrong things. We want the world to change, we want the churches to change, we want the right leader in government. But the time is coming when all that wanting will become absolutely fruitless. We will begin to see ourselves as the vessel that need change for the purpose of carrying within us the Ark of God.

It's not enough to run around trying to save others when we ourselves need change. Yes, we have God in us, but it's not in the degree that it should be. We are stopping up the flow because of the gunk of religion, the crappy teachings. We say things, "God can do this, but God can't do that". When we put limitations on God, we limit Him. When we let go of the things that hinder us we'll see God move in the midst of like never before. When we say stupid things like, "God did it in the first century but He doesn't do that stuff anymore". The expectations of revival is next to nil.

How do we let God change us? By seeking God and allowing Him to reveal our heart so we can see the ugliness of our way of thinking, the things that we have held unto from way back. Even a thought that our Grand-pappy said that he held sacred could be the very snag in our way of thinking. It's not enough to seek God for the purpose of strengthening the things we have come to know. That way is futile. We need to come to Him having the full understanding that we are there to be stripped down of anything that is hindering. We must be prepared to be shocked by anything that we have come to believe as truth to be a half truth or complete error. Many do not want to go through that humiliation. It's a terrible place to go through, but in the end it bringeth forth the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

Islam is nothing compared to what God can do through His people. Islam is a mouth speaking great things but lacking the power to back up it's claims as a peaceful religion. It uses brute force to push it's way into peoples lives. Through fear people give into their evangelistic techniques. In this country, people are "making a peace treaty" as it were with Islam so that they can be "saved" from a terrorist attack.

What a great country the United States once was. A land of freedom and opportunity. A land to escape to if you were being persecuted but now the tables are turning, the persecuted are being persecuted by the very people that the constitutions says they would protect.

I have a feeling that the reason why they can do these things is because that constitution has been changed and we don't know about it. Oh yes, the original document is viewed for all to see, but the amendments made to it..........hmmm, I wonder.

 2012/10/22 9:02









 The coming change.

There IS going to be a mighty revival that will shake the foundations of the earth. Masses of people will be swept into God's mercy worldwide.

Right now, the Church looks weak, frail, she looks like she can barely keep her own. But that will change.*****Approved

I agree...but with glory, there will be judgment.

We must be prepared for the holocaust that is riding these winds of judgment, and realize that this is from the Lord Jesus. We are waking up, even those of us who love slumber.

JUSTICE AND GLORY HAND IN HAND.

Over many years, the Lord has given me several interlocking revelations about His church in America. One important piece of that is THE END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM! The Lord spoke that phrase, and revealed to me it would center around a “greed mortgage craze”, and there would be massive homelessness from the middle class, and riot like anger within the black and minority community. This was in 2003. A HOLY COMPANY WOULD THEN APPEAR.....{ See the "END OF THE AMERICAN DREAM VISION "....here on Bride in the Wilderness }
http://brideinthewilderness.blogspot.com/

But this is only a small portion of what we can expect to come, both in Glory, and in Judgment.

The end of the American dream is about the holiest company ever assembled in this country, emerging within the greatest financial judgment ever to be in this country. There are two types of judgment. One has Mercy mixed in with it; a type of discipline that gives way to the possibility of repentance, of turning back to God’s way, away from our own, and being restored, healed by our tender Father.

Most of judgment is in this vein, because the Father is most merciful and gracious, and desires all to come to Him. He takes no pleasure in the death and destruction of the wicked. This financial judgment has mercy mixed in it, and God is leaving space for the Church, and America to repent, and believe.

The other type of judgment is a judgment when all mercies are depleted.

This is called Wrath. Consider Jeremiah’s many, many, ignored pleadings with Jerusalem, and then one of them was his last; for the Babylonian warriors broke through the wall and proceeded to rape, murder and plunder; and not even sparing the toddlers and infants.

It was a holocaust; a horror beyond thought; but it was real. One could argue that America was once the cradle of the FREE church of our Lord, maybe foremost in all of the Earth…in the days of her youth. If we have not become the “Great Whore who sits upon many waters”, I assure you that we are a part of her.

We despise Jesus, we mock Him, and MOST of our churches have a mere form of Christianity, but reject the power to become agents of His love and mercy. We are enamored with our own happiness, and promote our wills and lives. God has turned her over to the wolves. “The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?”

The Lord is defining Apostasy here. This is the “what” and “how” of why People fall away. God’s people have fell in love with their own lives. God has become an inconvenience, a burden, a slave master; and they will resist bending to Him or ANYONE, over their dead bodies. THE ONLY MINISTERS THAT THEY ACCEPT ARE THE ONES THAT SPEAK OF PEACE AND PROSPERITY!

We are seeing a flood of sorcerers and magicians and Usurpers that would be unimaginable 10 years ago; and our “Main Line” churches too! A form of godliness wrapped in dead form; Void of the Spirit, yet glorying in doctrine and political correctness.This is why America as a country is being judged. “If the salt has lost it’s saltiness, WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?” “TO BE CAST UPON THE DUNGHILL!”


That’s wrath; utter rejection derived from utter rebellion. In 2001, I was caught up in the Spirit with the Lord. It was a though I was traveling around the Earth with Jahweh; sailing high above, and watching the continents below.

There were no rivers, cities, or wilderness; only a massive wheat field. The sun was shining, the wheat shimmered in a gentle wind. The wheat was mature and golden; the sky was a Robin’s egg blue. It completely covered every bit of surface on these continents; the inhabited ones. Out of the substance of the Earth and the Sun and the Wheat the Lord Spoke; “IT’S HARVEST TIME!”... the vision ended.


For years I had misconceptions of the harvest as being a time of worldwide sweeping revival. I now know that it is not. The Harvest is the “End of the AGE!” The Harvest is the time of exposure, of light revealing and separating the darkness. The Harvest is a time of separation; a time when the evil look alike wheat is exposed for what it really is. POISON!


Matthew 13; verses: 24Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25″But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26″But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27″The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field?

How then does it have tares?’ 28″And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29″But he said, ‘No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30′Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn.”

Remember this; “and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the HARVEST IS THE END OF THE AGE!”; and the reapers are angels.”..vs:39

WE ARE SOON TO ENTER TRIBULATION. We are now experiencing the very beginning of the birth Pains of it. I will now share a very troubling set of visions that I was given, about the wrath part. I was shown the INVASION of AMERICA by foreign armies. In the first vision, I was in the Spirit, and was peering through the reeds, on a bluff above the ocean, on American Soil.


I heard a terrifying thunder of a massive and numerous army marching. I heard the cadence of boots marching in step, so many that the earth shook. I trembled, yet I watched on. Out of the ocean, close to my hiding spot in the reeds, a foreign army arose right out of the sea. These were foot soldiers, dressed in the camouflage stripes of another nation. They all had back packs, and assault weapons, but were staged to fight light, and mobile. They were terrifying in their sheer numbers and power.


A voice spoke to me over my right shoulder; a voice that I know. It was the voice of God, the Lord Jesus. He just said; “20 million.” I understood that this was the number of the invading army. I understood that they were an occupying and an invading army; and there goal was to blitzkrieg to the heart of the cities in overwhelming numbers, and once there, they would be impregnable. Once inside of a city, with perhaps 500,000 men, we would be helpless. This would of course be a sneak attack; and would happen suddenly.


The corresponding vision I had several years before, was about an AIR WAR, on American soil, for AIR superiority before the main body is set to advance. This was near the exact area that I saw the armies rise. I saw a bombing war, with multitudes of attack planes. I saw the enemy with waves and waves ; and when we think we have a chance, another and another wave of fighters and bombers dive in.

I watched this war for a very, very long time, and as I saw it continue, I watched a very small object spinning out of the war, towards me. It was a tree, and as it approached me, it became larger and larger until I saw that it was a tree sent from God.

It was covered perfectly in most beautiful leaves; It was,“The tree for healing for all nations” spoken of in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

It is maturity in the Church. It is Jesus Himself alive in this end times Church, right here in America. The day is coming, when we will no longer be impotent, and lackadaisical. Healing, and power over all of the work of the enemy will be deeds that are commonplace, and it will be the day of instant fruit the Amos prophesied of, when the treader of grapes would be overcome by he who sows the seed.

It will be the fullness of Jesus in His bride; It will be the Overcoming church; the Remnant Bride that has endured to the end, that loved Jesus more than her own way, her own life.

The very sad thing about this, is imminent judgment that must come. I believe that prior to this invasion we will be nuked, along with every military base in the world, and every nuclear ship, and missile base. I believe that this will primarily occur on the East coast, and some cities in the west.

The Midwest will be left for food production. I was not shown this by the Lord; this is my own judgment, but I believe that this horror will leave 100 MILLION Americans dead before the end….TWO FOR ONE, FOR EVERY INNOCENT LIFE MURDERED THROUGH ABORTION! This is Wrath on the unrepentant. I saw this invasion take place on the TEXAS COASTLINE and New Orleans area, on the same path as KATRINA.


It will be a time of horror, hand in hand with the Glory of the ages.
This is me; I was not shown this by the Lord, but I believe when this happens, we will be very close to the MIDDLE of this Great Tribulation. There will be 42 months, at least, to go. Jesus will rescue Israel, and the believers in all of the world then. We will then begin our eternity, as will the many damned, who hate God and his Christ.


I want to give you some signs upon the way, that the Lord has shown me.
I saw the company of real messengers, Apostles, that the Lord has ordained for America. They are broken and filled with holiness, and possessed with more authority that man could imagine. They hate the usurpers, nicolaitans, and false apostles like the NAR and such, and will lay their lives down for the least of the brethren, whoever that those may be.

They are filled with humility and love.
One of the signs that they have manifested is when we see, “AN AMERICAN BAND OF MARTYRS”…These will be saints that will go in the face of death and martyrdom to carry the gospel to foreign shores.

They will be butchered, and slaughtered, but behind them many more will follow, and this will be a pleasing aroma before the Lord. When you see and read of this, then you will know that real Godly apostles are here too, to shepherd the American flock through this tribulation and unto Jesus alone.


The second sign will be harder to perceive, but just as real.
We will begin to see saints that we would consider dead, destroyed and fallen away, restored. Many of them will have been wounded in the current WAR in the church, between an emerging humanist-new age gospel and “apostle” mindset that denies the CROSS, both as Jesus as the only way to God, and the cross that the individual MUST bear DAILY, as he dies to himself, to lives to God, and learns how to love.

People that you would not imagine, will return to the Love of Jesus, and become a blaze for God. It will be amazing, similar to Ezekiel’s “DRY BONES” vision…right here, in America.

There are TEN Virgins: All wake up, but all don’t survive. What is the keystone for the survivors?, and what did the victims of blindness lack? Oil for the lamps. It is the Holy Spirit flowing in relationship with He who stands among the candlesticks. Everyone assumed they possessed it, but really only some did.

This is the most important possession in your entire life, even for Eternity. Do you fellowship with Jesus? Do you know Him? Do you worship Him, in Spirit and in truth, or do you just have an idea of that, or a form of that? Only one thing we will possess in this soon coming trouble is FAITH, a quiet assurance that we know Him who we have rested our soul upon.


Hebrews 11 33 who by faith conquered kingdoms, performed acts of righteousness, obtained promises, shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from weakness were made strong, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight. 35 Women received back their dead by resurrection; and others were tortured, not accepting their release, so that they might obtain a better resurrection; 36 and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment.

They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were)put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated 38 (men of whom the world was not worthy), wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground. 39 And all these, having gained approval through their faith, did not receive what was promised, 40 because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect.


This was not written apart from us, even today, and it is more than a historical encouragement, it is a code, a living testament about how true saints will react to extreme hardship and persecution.

Do not be deceived into thinking that a farm in Idaho or a large storehouse will succor you in this time. It will not, and you will be very disappointed. As then, as now, Only a living faith in Jesus, sustained by daily bread, will enable you to endure unto the end; and the end for some of us will surely be martyrdom.


I see the church as a resurrected remnant; a little flock. I see her in twos and threes, where glory falls as well in many, many home churches and personal groups where real relationship will and is able to be cultured. We are now yet in a time of grace where we all can repent, and return to our first loves; where we can determine a life “All for Jesus, No matter the COST!…We have space, but I promise you as I warn you; THE DOOR IS CLOSING!


Also, there is yet space where we can pray for America. Will she repent? Probably not, but Abraham wasn’t slowed up for SODOM, before the Lord with that probability, was he? It is possible that the number of that occupying force and army may be diminished, but not without repentance. Remember Nineveh.

We will need each other much more in the future, and Jesus most of all.

We will seek him continually in these times of trouble, and it is written; “The Lord has NEVER forsaken ANY who seek after Him.” This is the difference in having oil for your lamps, and being left without it, in the most dire of nights. Jesus is Lord and Creator, and Satan, and every one of his devil angels that followed him, are nothing, and less than nothing before His glorious power. They are together less than a drop falling into a cavernous 55 gallon drum, and united less than a match head of chaff, in a forest fire.

Jesus is but using the devil, and anti-Christ, to prove his purposes, and His faithful, and His Faithfulness. when Jesus is done using him, he will be cast headlong into the lake of fire, where he will burn for eternity, along with his brother angels….[ AND ALL OF THE HUMAN LOST..] We are also a part of this trial, that will encompass the entire earth. We overcome by faith.


“BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, THE WORD OF OUR TESTIMONY, AND BY NOT LOVING OUR OWN SELF LIVES, EVEN UNTO DEATH!”
John said, in Revelation, “Your brother, in tribulation and patience.” That’s how it has to be.
Brother Tom Watkins

 2012/10/22 15:24





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