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 The battle of wicked powers and princes over nations.

I have travelled to China hundreds of miles inland to the agricultural countryside, where over 80% of the population live. This is where the bulk of the Persecuted Church live. They have daily jobs, just like you and I. They have families.

The Communist government there has issued laws that prohibit free Christianity. In the early 50's, the Christian Church was brutally attacked under Mao Tse Tung.

This can be only attributed to an Anti-Christ spirit. The hatred for the church is direct and specific. The Government set up a state church, that allowed Christian worship and teaching while promoting social propaganda; THE THREE SELF CHURCH. I visited a couple of these; Religious order; kind of like a Catholic agenda with a statue of Mao.

During this period in the early days, many, many thousands of men and women were hauled off to prisons for re-education. Many, such as Watchman Lee, spent 20 years incarcerated. I have met and interviewed a brother who spent 17 years imprisoned there. Some have been murdered. There have been many forced abortions too.

They were, and are persecuted, because the government in power not only fears their faith, they hate their faith. It is a transcendental hatred, and it is very personal.

Through out the ages these anti-Christ demons have forged alliances and warred against the Holy Church, and have been able to forge tangible political power, as in the 350 year Catholic Inquisition, or Hitler's short rule; there have been many.

It's goal is political power, and then, the masks come off. "We hate You and will destroy you!" This is the goal of the Marxists; Socialists, Communists, leftists. It is an anti-Christ agenda that defies every foundation of the Bible and the Spirit of Christ.

This is the power today in the halls of leadership in our country, and it is growing. I believe that one day America will fall militarily, be invaded and occupied; it will happen suddenly. Then, without infrastructure, order and power grids, without food and water sold or available, our sorrows will begin. Then persecution will become much more visible and intense.

This is exactly what happened in China 60 years ago, and by the way, if you were arrested in China for your faith,and imprisoned, you were sent home to comfort if you denied Christ.

We must never fear, but trust and believe.

 2012/7/2 11:42









 Re: The battle of wicked powers and princes over nations.

This is the power today in the halls of leadership in our country, and it is growing. I believe that one day America will fall militarily, be invaded and occupied; it will happen suddenly. Then, without infrastructure, order and power grids, without food and water sold or available, our sorrows will begin. Then persecution will become much more visible and intense.

Brothertom

I doubt a country that has a nuke for every man woman and child needs to fear a military fall.

Your views require more than few unknowns to bring about a Church persecution. Especially towards a sleeping church.

Like I have said a few times already the Church in the West is of no consequence to anyone outside it. The society is no longer aware we are here. The persecution I see coming to the Western Church is more of what we already have which is self inflicted persecution.

Marc mc

 2012/7/2 12:12
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Hi Appolus,
People are saying that a persecution is coming soon.
I have asked questions and they for the most part have not been answered.

Like what is soon?
Has your belief in a post tribulation had an affect on your belief that"persecution is coming soon"?
Who told you that it will be soon?

Not alone do I not feel that I am working against God but I feel like I am putting a theologically sound response to the notion that persecution is coming soon and I feel that God has pointed out some things that i have brought forward.
That is my motivation.
Looking from the outside in it appears that people on the thread are in a bubble.
I can totally discern the sign of the times anyone can prophet or no but some people are saying "persecution is coming" and others are saying that "Judgement is coming"
and their is a big difference.
Anybody can quote scripture verses like you have but none of those scriptures say that persecution is coming soon as in 2012,2013 or even 2014 to the Us church as is the claim.
Yours Staff


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hi Jeffmar,
Id rather you just answer my questions yourself,
Thanks Staff

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Hi bearmaster,
In your opinion it is heretical.
Believers understanding about the pre trib rapture may have did harm to chinas church because they didnt understand that God was taking his people out before the Great Tribulation not before tribulation in China.God did not promise to bring out anybody from tribulation but the great tribulation.
I bring the tribulation into it because it has an affect on what you believe not to force the issue on tribulation views but you cannot go around saying this a heresy when the jury is clearly out.
As to dates the post said "soon" and I want to know what that is so that we will know what is being said is from God.
As I said anyone can say persecution is coming because if you wait long enough it will come along.(God isnt vague)
This matter has been brought up as a matter of top level urgency and I want to know why and when specifically,
If the national weather service gives a credible weather warning I would watch out but I would prefer that this post doesn't turn out to be " the boy that cried wolf"
Yours Staff

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Hi Staff,

Brother there have been saints on this thread, including myself, who have tried to answer your questions. We have pointed you to men of God who are speaking of upcoming persecution. The administrator of this web site believes persecution is coming. There is a sense if urgency that is confirmed by scripture that persecution will soon come

But you keep asking the same questions. How do you know? When is it coming? Brother I cannot tell you when it is comin. Only that it is. Do you want me to tell you I got a message from God that persecution is coming. Ok. I heard the Spirit speak into my mind years ago I would suffer and be martyred for Christ. I had a dream that I saw myself in a persecuted church. I had another dream that I saw myself in a death camp. But I am not basing my convictions about persecution on dreams and voices but on the word. Also what men wiser than me are hearing
from the word on this.

Brother we could go back and forth on this but must stand down. Nothing more will be gained. You have heard the truth from brothers far wiser than I. You must decide if this message is true. For I cannot answer any more of hour questions. May God grant you wisdom.

Bear standing down.

 2012/7/2 14:40









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HI Staff, if yout dont like the term soon, then you are going to be dissapointed with anyone who speaks on this subject in this our present age. I have not heard a single person name a time or a date for the beginning of pesecution or the brith pangs or anything that you choose to call it. So, you are dissapointed and you reject all the men who have this message, fair enough brother.If a preacher or anyone delivers what God has laid on his heart, it is up to you personally to accept or reject it, you clearly have rejected it as is your right and you will not be convinced otherwise, thats between you and God and I am perfectly at peace that this is between you and God, go in peace brother.............bro Frank

 2012/7/2 14:49









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HI Jimp, I realize that you knew Ravenhill, you have mentioned it numerous times. So, by your last post it seems that we agree, that is good. As for the Latte drinking people, not sure who you are talking about? Ravenhill? Tozer? Wilkerson? Conlon? These are all men of God I believe and they bring forth a balanced message..........bro Frank

 2012/7/2 14:56
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I have travelled to China hundreds of miles inland to the agricultural countryside, where over 80% of the population live. This is where the bulk of the Persecuted Church live. They have daily jobs, just like you and I. They have families.

The Communist government there has issued laws that prohibit free Christianity. In the early 50's, the Christian Church was brutally attacked under Mao Tse Tung.

This can be only attributed to an Anti-Christ spirit. The hatred for the church is direct and specific. The Government set up a state church, that allowed Christian worship and teaching while promoting social propaganda; THE THREE SELF CHURCH. I visited a couple of these; Religious order; kind of like a Catholic agenda with a statue of Mao.

During this period in the early days, many, many thousands of men and women were hauled off to prisons for re-education. Many, such as Watchman Lee, spent 20 years incarcerated. I have met and interviewed a brother who spent 17 years imprisoned there. Some have been murdered. There have been many forced abortions too.

They were, and are persecuted, because the government in power not only fears their faith, they hate their faith. It is a transcendental hatred, and it is very personal.

Through out the ages these anti-Christ demons have forged alliances and warred against the Holy Church, and have been able to forge tangible political power, as in the 350 year Catholic Inquisition, or Hitler's short rule; there have been many.

It's goal is political power, and then, the masks come off. "We hate You and will destroy you!" This is the goal of the Marxists; Socialists, Communists, leftists. It is an anti-Christ agenda that defies every foundation of the Bible and the Spirit of Christ.

This is the power today in the halls of leadership in our country, and it is growing. I believe that one day America will fall militarily, be invaded and occupied; it will happen suddenly. Then, without infrastructure, order and power grids, without food and water sold or available, our sorrows will begin. Then persecution will become much more visible and intense.

This is exactly what happened in China 60 years ago, and by the way, if you were arrested in China for your faith,and imprisoned, you were sent home to comfort if you denied Christ.

We must never fear, but trust and believe.



Brother, well said and a clear warning to all of us. We must spend this time deepening our scripture knoweldge and walking with Jesus Christ daily in intimacy and prayer.

it will happen suddenly.


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The Spirit of God spoke to me one day walking up the stairs of my 5-bedroom house that something was coming and I was not ready for it. That was 2-3 years ago now. I was backslidden, and when the Holy Spirit spoke it. I saw great devestation in my mind's eye like a mushroom cloud of destruction. The Lord since called us to sell all we have, live in a fifth wheel (I have 5 kids and a wife), make certain preperations, move out of state and change jobs, etc., etc., etc. I am still so weak and full of old self ways God is having to crush me and break me painfully so I am not dependant on my own flesh and natural man. He is gracious and true though. I have had MANY dreams of what is coming, many times of the Lord speaking to me in prayer/meditation, much confirmation in our Body fellowship, and in other great men of God worldwide. I dont know what else some are looking for, except the actual wave to crash on our shore like a Tsunami? Some dont understand NT prophecy and how it differs from OT prophecy, but I referenced a great article on the subject. I have a job and family, so I cant spell everything out. If youre not motivated to read the article as John Piper wrote it, and listen to the messages on this site on persecution, I have to ask: are you really motivated to evaluate this truth?"

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but Spirit gives birth to Spirit"

"Spiritual things can only be spiritually discerned by the Spirit"

"My sheep know me, they hear my voice and follow me....they will not follow another"

"despise not prophecy"

I have nothing else to say. Excellent post from the brother on China. FYI - "The Approaching Wave of Persecution Coming" from Brother Denny Kenaston is an excellent message I can't recommend enough.
God Bless you all,
Jeff

 2012/7/2 15:40





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