Dear amrkellyI am a sister not a brother thanks."Adam was not asked or required to be submissive he was required to be obedient."I dont see your distinction. To be obedient is to submit to the will of another and a wife must submit to Christ before her husband. "The manifest sons of God theology is heresy; nay blasphemy because it is a denial of our present position and results in men thinking they are already become as "the son's of God" in the flesh. Which amounts to "you are a god". Its result is to bring God Himself into disrepute because those who believe it do not reckon with sin."I dont know anything about that theology but I do know that it is a heresy to say that we must continue to sin in this life when Christ came to save us from sin. No offence taken.Brenda
The scripture on the sanctification or cleansing influence of the partner and children of a believer has been shown to be true in my family. My husband claimed to be a believer for 23 years but showed his true colours when he decided he wanted out of the marriage. Instead of him doing the leaving he forced me out by veiled threats of violence and had manipulated our sons so much that they did not see him as the wrong doer. They saw him as the victim and expressed their anger towards me. After I was gone, the sons turned to drugs and my husband to drink and he is now very sick indeed. I am saddened beyond measure by it.
"Adam was not asked or required to be submissive he was required to be obedient."I dont see your distinction. To be obedient is to submit to the will of another and a wife must submit to Christ before her husband.
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Quote: Adam was created (naked) and (innocent) without Law just as was you and I and Jesus.The Wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who (hold) the truth in unrighteousness.Men are guilty for holding the truth and rejecting it they are not guilty for being man. The child does not hold truth he has no law.NO LAW NO SIN!!-----Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.... Roms 5:14Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation Roms 5:18For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners Roms 5:19Do you read the same bible as me ??????
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no obviously i dont lol
Re: murrcolr wrote "Do you read the same bible as me ??????"I am not sure, I use the King James Version!Lets look at these verses you gave in there context."Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression.... Roms 5:14"I never said that (physical) Death does not apply to all of Adams Creation that would be silly Babys in the Womb die 1 day olds with no Law Die What did the verse before say?? 13 "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is (not) (imputed) (when there is no law)." (no law no sin!!)but yet physical death reigns any how? All of Adams off spring are seperated from the tree of Life. I am not denying the fall, I am denying The inturpatation of Augustine! Genisis ch 3 v 22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"RE Murrcolr Wrote Romans 5 :18 "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation Roms 5:18" Did your Bible end the verse Here?? My Bible continues "even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon (all) men unto justification of life."Did the free gift come upon all men?? When do you recieve this free Gift?When is that free gift imputed to man??so did the offence come upon all men??when does the offence come upon all men??When is the offence imputed to men?? Roman 7 v 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. (For without the law sin was dead) no Law no sin!!Romans 7 v 9 For (I)({Paul}) was (alive) (without) (the law once)({when Paul was an infant with no Law}): but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
_________________"I grant freely that the theory of "plenary verbal inspiration," involves some difficulties. I do not pretend to answer all the objections brought against it, or to defend all that has been written by its supporters. I am content to remember that all inspiration is a miraculous operation of the Holy Ghost, and, like every operation of the Holy Ghost, must needs be mysterious." - John Charles Ryle
How are you brothagary. what is your understanding of the Child being unclean by a divorseI have for as long as I can remember felt the Draw of God on my life through terrible nightmares through out my most early child hood that left me clinging to God praying my self to sleep nightly at a very young age, to almost giving up the faith in my mid 20s, to which he would not let go of me and brought me to the relization of just how wicked I am and how much I need Grace. But you know I was not raised by two bornagain Christians. I come from a broken home of to non bornagin non church goers. They both believe in God which did impact me for the better and no complaints about my parents they are way better than many proffessing Christians I know, but they are not born again and they did divorse when I was very young.Blessings to brothagary
sorry proud pappa,,i was refuring to murcol last post i must be reading another bible because i obviously dont see it like that at all,,
I am sorry I thought it was to my post but regardless Still what are your views conserning the 1 Cor ch 7 v 14. that we where talking about. How does Divorsing an unbeliever make the children unclean??
I have read portions of thread, hop-scotching around it. Some mentioned children...As a mother who has birthed five children, four boys and one girl, I have observed something of their natures.As a newborn infant, all they are interested in is being warm, fed and dry. However, it does not take long until they express their own will by stiffening their bodies in response to something that annoys them. For once our wills do not mesh. Not only does he/she respond by stiffening his body, there are plenty of sound effects that demonstrates his displeasure and it is not the plaintive or urgent cry of mere physical discomfort.Oh, I did not have to teach them to respond in anger, frustration - they did it on their own. Where did this ability come from? ginnyroseEDIT:PS: I did not see anonymous post before I wrote this..
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