Leeza,

That comment was not directed towards you. In fact, I like your spirit in the matter. As Krisper implied, there is no reason to re-hash scripture over and over.

Blessings!

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Christiaan


“May you so live, that when you stand over your child's dead body, you may never hear a voice coming up from that clay, "Father, your negligence was my destruction! Mother, your prayerlessness was the instrument of my damnation!"

"Impress these words of Mine on your hearts and minds . . . Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up." Deuteronomy 11:18-19 - Charles Spurgeon

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Brother Krispy and all those who do not believe in women women/teachers:

I do believe the scriptures as they have been written, just as you do and I agree that “NORMALLY” God does not ordain women preachers but experience has taught me the opposite... that God does what and when He wants to without breaking His word.

I am speaking on one woman in particular, I grew up under her ministry, Sis. Mary. One of the ways that I know the Lord appointed this woman to preach the gospel of His kingdom? Because of Mark 16.20, “And they went forth, and preached every where, THE LORD WORKING WITH THEM, AND CONFIRMING THE WORD WITH SIGNS FOLLOWING. Amen.”

You cannot deny the truth of that Scripture, can you? And when the Lord confirms anyone’s ministry with signs following and many, many souls being added to the kingdom of our dear Lord; I’m sorry but you cannot gainsay nor resist that the Lord is with them.

I think we can both admit that there are many men whose ministries are not being confirmed today but they are still out there beating a dead horse (but that is for another thread).

I can’t explain why God chose her well enough to even try to argue with you about it except to say that “the willing and obedient shall eat the good of the land.” Maybe there were no men who were that willing and obedient during her lifetime? I don’t know. I just know what I saw the Lord do in a vessel that loved Him beyond measure.

God bless you,
Lisa

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Since He looked upon me, my heart is not my own. He hath run away to heaven with it. ~ Samuel Rutherford

Sister Leeza...

I can not comment about this person in particular because I have no idea who it is, nor witnessed the "signs following". Great numbers of converts is not always the sign of God's blessings either. Joel Osteen has great numbers and it doesnt mean a thing.

My pastor is a tremendous student and teacher of the Word, and people get saved in our church, but the Charismatic "signs" (so-called slain in the spirit, barking like dogs, etc) do not occur. Some, like Blaine would write us off because of that... without knowing anything about our church. I'm there 4 or 5 times a week, I can tell you that the Holy Spirit is working, praise the Lord.

How do I know this? FRUIT... mainly LOVE. There is FAITH. There is HOPE. There is salvation and spiritual growth, and the Bible is taught. I mean REALLY taught. We serve one another, we laugh together, we cry together, we take care of one another... and we serve our community both physically and spiritually. We go outside our own walls and preach the gospel to the lost world. We dont just sit around learn theology, like Blaine accused me of doing. Yes, we learn it, but then we put it out there where the rubber meets the road.

Sometimes a pastor can minister for years and never see the fruit of the ministry. Missionaries encounter that on a daily basis. Sometimes years after they pass away the fruit finally is harvested... by someone else.

What am I saying? Experience is important, but it does not trump the Word of God. Experience only matters when it agrees with God's Word. If it doesnt agree with what is written... reject it. Period.

Now, I already stated that God does use women in the pulpit. But it is never the norm. A woman in authority over men in the church house only brings confusion into the family house. How can a woman pastor teach wives to submit unto their husbands... who she is in authority over? She can not. It's confusion.

Take the gospel to the lost? Absolutely. Paul was writing about in the church, not on the street.

Sister Diane...

You know I love you! I have to be honest and tell you that I am very much opposed to almost everything you have written. Sorry. :-)

Still friends?

Krispy

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"I was seized by the power of a great affection."
~ Brennan Mannings

Since He looked upon me, my heart is not my own. He hath run away to heaven with it. ~ Samuel Rutherford

I hope you were joking. You've never seen me judge any ministry unless it was something that was obviously in seriour error... like Hinn, or Joyce Meyer... or Joel Osteen.

In such cases we are called to judge.

I get more generalities thrown at me than anynoe I know... lol

Krispy

Absolutely, women are enabled by God to minister to all the brethren.
I was actually talking about 1timothy 2 12-14. I agree the rendering in the Greek in verse 11 (and later) would be more in the spirit of quietness rather than silence. That was really not the issue in play.
Verse 12 states that a women is not to teach or have authority over a man (there the implication of the Greek seems to imply teaching is authoritative by nature). The balance of scripture does not prohibit women in any expression or giftedness. This is a singular limitation: not to teach or have authority over a man.

I do not think this implies that I cannot proclaim the gospel or share the word or minister to my brothers in Christ. As someone has stated before, we' tend to have a Americanized version of this, and I think that has sort of turned our thinking upside down on what this may look like.
I would stick to the most simple implications.

Krispy, think you have me confused with Lysa, I am leeza, the pharassitical trouble maker that started this mess :)

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