Of course, none of us will find any scripture in which preaching [Gr. Kerusso] is gender- exclusive. And none of us can legitimately question Blaine’s report of the Great Commission being dramatically fulfilled in persecuted countries – through non-gender-exclusive passion for the Good news. We should be overjoyed – but also deeply humbled - - because it’s not happening here!

Our real concern should be how tragically the biblical word “preach” has become hijacked by institutional Christianity, and has become the exclusive privilege of certain class of people, on a certain day, in a certain place, for a certain limit of time. And it has become reduced to a didactic lecture.
And frankly, to a large extent even in evangelical Christianity, the full magnificent implications of the gospel message has become so dwarfed that it is hardly enough to change anybody. Since that is happening, why are you so concerned about what gender gets to obliterate the power of the good news in our man-designed pulpits in front of man-designed pews in man-designed buildings?

Diane

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No doubt I will get painted as calling all women preachers evil... but actually if people go back in the past and read what I have written on similar threads they will discover that this is not the case.

God will use a woman in some cases as a preacher. Many men today have been lazy, disobedient and have abandoned their positions in the church for selfish and sinful reasons. Or men have refused to go as church planters and leaders to other areas of the world, and God has raised up women in their place... much to the men's disgrace.

Where Blaine really misses it is in claiming that any of us are against women going into all the world.

First off all... he is taking everything out of context. Paul is talking about women teaching men in a church setting, and he is talking about women leading churches in pastoral roles. They are not allowed, this is forbidden.

But women can go and evangelize, no one here denies that.

Krispy

Diane, I am not a high church type and am very outside the box on stuff like that. I am talking about biblical Christianity. 1 Peter 5 for instance...
The church is not a building nor an organization, it is the Body of Christ. He is the head, and we are the members. He has instructed us through the words of the apostles His desire for how it should function for His glory.

So, with you on no organization .....the church is an organism
But, totally holding to the scriptural mandate of how that organism is to function. It is just not about us.

And I will gladly stand and affirm those Christ centered women who are doing the work of the kingdom. If God so allowed it then I would count it an honor to co labor with them in the things of Christ. For surely they are doing the King's bidding and advancing his kingdom purposes.

Krispy while you are trying to get correct theology these sisters are bringing souls into the kingdom. They are doing the masters bidding. And I say, Praise God and bless Jesus for what they are doing.

If it weren't for the sisters the work of the gospel would not get done. Simply put. The men are not responding to the call. But the women are. In the con call I facilitate the participants are sisters who pray powerful prayers. The Persecution Watch is open to any brother or sister who desires to come and pray. Very few men come. But the sisters do come and pray and they are faithful. The men have generally fallen off.

So bro you go ahead and respond with sourcasm. You write the mods and tell them to ban me. But someone had to have the guts and speak against the teligious spirit that pervades this forum.

Now to be to the King's business.

Blaine Scogin

I have a question. We have read 1 Timothy 2. 12-14
Some of you are saying it does not say what I simply says.
Why? ( if you would, please write the verse out and list reasons)
God bless!

I would respond with an understanding of the verses in question. But the understanding would be rejected by you and others in this forum. For there are many here who take New Testament truth and put believers under a yoke that is heavier than Christ himself.

Blaine Scogin

No matter how loud people protest, no matter how passionate they are, no matter how many people agree with them...

You cannot change what scripture says.

Be blessed.

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Christiaan


“May you so live, that when you stand over your child's dead body, you may never hear a voice coming up from that clay, "Father, your negligence was my destruction! Mother, your prayerlessness was the instrument of my damnation!"

"Impress these words of Mine on your hearts and minds . . . Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up." Deuteronomy 11:18-19 - Charles Spurgeon

Dear Blaine, please don't walk away upset. No one has said in any way that the women you are telling us about are doing anything but for the glory of God. We are studying His word and declaring His truth. What the bible says is not religion, these are the words of eternal life, through the power of the Spirit. I don't always like what it says, my flesh recoils. But He spoke.....Again, to remind you, we are talking about women teaching in the assembly, taking a position of authority over men. Don't mix in the legalistic garbage and take the simple directive out with the trash.
Remember, I am a women myself. I am hardly holding back, beaten down or hesitant to share the gospel.
You sort of assume we are not ministering to the lost. You might be surprised. You assume we are hard hearted and legalistic, when it actually pains me to discuss this. On a forum, you don't know people and their lives. You don't see their tears, their struggles. You can't know their heart, and if they have served compassionately. Some one holding a different opinion, and speaking it boldly, is not unloving. Especially if they are speaking it for your benefit.
Leeza

Please don' t hesitate to expound on that scripture. I only wanted to bring our focus back from then periphery to the original focus.