Blaine, brother! I won’t be giving Krispy a gold medal for his "valiant" broadsided sweep of the sword on your character; but it seems to have at least a wee place. Have you not done some broad-sweeping generalizations yourself? like this one:
But as a whole. I reiterate my statement. Church government, theology, or let's say religion kills the Spirit.
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It is very sad to see the abandonment of the Holy Scriptures that I continue to see more and more on these forums.The Holy Bible is God’s Word – so stop using the excuse of “1st century culture” to weasel out of what the Scripture teaches. God’s Word is eternal!! It does not just apply to 1st century Christians, it applies to us now. If you are not going to believe and trust in God’s Word (and all of it not just the parts that make you comfortable) then please don’t call yourself a Christian.The following from is from “jimdied2sin”"Then you havent been paying attention sister. It seems that Paul worte there is no male or female in Christ, and since we dont care about context here, that cancels out everything else he ever wrote. I think Paul must have repented of his sexist attitude after he wrote that to timothy and realized he was binding women with religion and silencing sisters who God had filled with the Holy Spirit. Paul must have been awakened to truth by the same wise council that is being presented on SI, and thankfully he came around to seeing his error in his writing to timothy. Thats when he wrote there is no male or female to show he repented of all the previous things he had written about the roles of brothers and sisters."Perhaps you didn’t know this but the Holy Bible is written by men as they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.2 Tim 3:16 - “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”Paul did not have to “repent” of anything regarding what he wrote. It was inspired by the Holy Spirit.Jim says he died to sin but apparently he has not died to pathetically poor exegesis of the Bible. Since Jimbo knows more the God and can decide what should have been in the Bible instead of the Holy Spirit, then I guess we can throw out the Bibles we have and get a version of Jim’s that has all the mistakes that the Holy Spirit made removed. Since Paul was not led by the Spirit when writing in 1 Timothy.We can make the Bible say anything we want when we are taking things out of context and patching things together like “jimdied2sin”.Galatians 3:28 that someone has taken out of context to use to try to make the Scriptures fit his swiss cheese theology has nothing to do with teaching in the church like 1 Timothy 2:9-15.We cannot take God’s Word out of context just to fix our social agenda. We must submit ourselves to God’s Word and change our thinking, worldview and living to God’s Truth.Galatians 3:28 is talking about salvation. It is talking about the fact that whatever we are free, bond, rich, poor, Jew, Greek, male, female we are all saved through Grace. (It’s likely to be different in Jim’s bible so we better check with him on that).1 Timothy 2:12 clearly teaches that women should not teach or have authority over men. Has nothing to do with 1st century Christians and their culture. It is God’s Word! Take it or leave it.It has absolutely nothing to do with belittling women. Women are to teach their children and other women just not men. It says why in 1 Tim 2:13-14 - Adam was formed first. Adam was not deceived Eve was. Eve really thought she was doing something OK because she was deceived by the Devil. Adam was not deceived he knew what he was doing was wrong and did it anyway. In my opinion Adam had the greater sin. He knew he was disobeying and did it anyway.When is the Church going to get back to the Bible?The Bible alone is what we can depend on for all living this life and bringing Honor and Glory to Him that sits on the thrown and the Lamb of God. The Bible is what we need to guide our churches and homes, not social sciences God’s Word alone.Sola scriptura!
_________________And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.2 Corinthians 5:15
iceman9. Jimdead2sin was being sarcastic. Please read the entire thread and you will see that he is very close in line to what you may believe.Blessings!
_________________Christiaan“May you so live, that when you stand over your child's dead body, you may never hear a voice coming up from that clay, "Father, your negligence was my destruction! Mother, your prayerlessness was the instrument of my damnation!""Impress these words of Mine on your hearts and minds . . . Teach them to your children, talking about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up." Deuteronomy 11:18-19 - Charles Spurgeon
Dear Iceman, Jimdiedtosin is probably on the same page as you, I think he was making a point of how the Bible has been disregarded using humor to emphasis the idea that we think we today are wiser than the apostles of the first century. His intent was to say, NO, we are wrong to lay aside'the word of truth, and we are arrogant to believe we know better. I can imagine if you came in the middle of the discussion, that statement was very confusing. Hope this helps.
Whoa there girly, back up there a bit.I am going on the basis of what Paul said, "suffer not a woman to teach".I like Joyce Meyer too, I admire her boldness, but not everything that she teaches is right. Her ministry is the ministry of "Helps", helping women overcome the problems that they have had to face with abuse which she has endured and overcame. I love her stories and her down to earthness but she goes beyond herself because that is what these ministries do, they do the whole gamut and can't be satisfied to stay in the calling God has called them. If you look at all the big name preachers they all do the same things. This tells me that they are going beyond their calling. And when you go beyond your calling you go into error. You may be a prophetess but I am not, but if I try to be a prophet I am going to get into trouble. I digress.The act of Preaching can have many aspects associated with it. I think you believe in the gifts of the Spirit for us today, in preaching, these gifts can manifest. Especially prophecy, word of wisdom, word of knowledge and the discerning of spirits. These all can manifest during the preaching of a message."Do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority of the man", tells me that this office of teaching is left to the men and she is not to teach men. Why? Because Eve went beyond her office and usurped the man by taking matters into her own hands. With every temptation it begins with a thought and then staying on that thought and finally your doing it. It also denotes that Eve "taught" Adam to eat of that tree, convinced him so to speak.In the extra apocrypha books, if memory serves, Eve was deceived by the cunning words of the Serpent to eat of the fruit but she couldn't bring herself to deceive Adam so the Serpent said that he would be a lying spirit in her tongue to convince Adam, of course we know how that played out.I am not talking about the deadness of what men teach, your right the churches are full of them and this generation is turned off and I don't blame them, so am I. A man has his place and a woman has hers, it's just not in the realm of teaching men.Have I answered your inquiry, if not, let me know. Thanks.
When Paul said that there is neither male nor female but we are all one in Christ Jesus he isn't cancelling out male and female roles, he is cancelling out the fact that in Christ there is no genders. But living on this earth in this material world, there are genders and God has ordained authorities that we should be subjected to. Yes, men need to be subjected just as men need to be subjected.An example of this is the fact that we are no longer under the law, but in this world, we are. We can't cancel out the law of the land and tell the judge, "I can speed all I want,, I am not under the law." That foolishness will give us a bad testimony and make Jesus out to be an idiot. But you know, we have people just like that in our Churches today? In the Spirit there is liberty, in this flesh and this world, there is bondage. We are subjected to the bondage until we are set free from it.
Have I answered your inquiry, if not, let me know.
The idea that "not suffering a woman to teach" in itself, is not in context. The scriptural context is, "over the man.""But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." The teaching is primarily about dividing doctrine, and holy doctrines ARE the Pillars of the New Testament Church. Women are to be in silence in these areas; they are not permitted to teach them in the local church, to assess them [ doctrines ] as the right and correct path for any; the plural shepherds do that.However, the Sisters in Christ ARE commanded to teach. 1st; They are commanded to teach good things. The testimony of Jesus, and how another may submit to them. Picture a young sister in a factory, working away, and an unbelieving woman, attracted to her love and light asks a question about her live in boyfriend. Is this OK with God?Obviously, she would speak the truth in love, obviously teaching a holy doctrine; "No. it is not...and why, according to the Word.The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;2: That the elder sisters teach a variety of holy and practical issues to the younger sisters: "That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed."And....ALL OF ISAIAH 61!...amen?
Amen Tom...! This is exactly what I have said on this thread at least three times.Krispy
Ok, Leeza, I have not been following this thread very well...just reading here and there because of lack of time.But your question, "but, how do you discover your spiritual gift" deserves a decent answer. May I suggest this comes about as you serve the LORD, who will enable you to function in the job he has given you. The charismatics have taken this quest in 'knowing your gift' to the level where one is focusing on gifting rather then serving. To focus on my gift is turning the focus on yourself and away from God. To be bellyaching because a group of people will not allow me to use 'my gift' smacks of egotism, don't you think? On the opposite side of the coin, I would suggest if people do not appreciate what you want to do, look for some others who are needy and see how you can serve them! Likely you won't get win awards or be noticed by the powers that be, but that is the beauty of serving behind the scenes. You won't be encumbered with the praise of men!ginnyrose
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