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I am praying for you with fervency as some of my loved ones have been caught by this as well. Pls don't feel scolded for asking for help.....if you can't find someone's personal email, the moderator, Greg Gordon can help you....

GOD BLESS YOU!



Thank you so much, and the Lord bless you.

 2011/10/6 16:52
MrBillPro
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1058 Views.....30 replies. Maybe this is deeper than we think for a lot of Christians.


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Bill

 2011/10/6 19:47Profile
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The cure for pornography is repentance and saving faith. It does not matter if a person is a pastor, deacon....etc. No one can be right with God and partake of these things.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" (I Cor. 6:9-11).

There is hope. Paul said, "And such were some of you..."
Cast yourself upon Christ. He has grace for victory. Get rid of anything that would lead to impure thoughts: immodest dress, television, books and magazines with impure ads or story lines, internet sites, anything that would lead to wrong thoughts or doing. Think upon things that are pure, lovely, virtuous, of good report, etc. Make a radical break with sin and trust in the cleansing blood of Christ.


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 2011/10/6 20:33Profile
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JB1968 on 2011/10/6 17:33:28 wrote:

"The cure for pornography is repentance and saving faith. It does not matter if a person is a pastor, deacon....etc. No one can be right with God and partake of these things."

JB1968, if we take out 'pornography' of your above statement and replaced it with the word 'SIN', would that be the path for one to become totally sinless? Is it really that easy, 'JUST DON'T DO IT.'?

Are you currently totally sinless?

If so, how long have you been sinless?

My view to Christians on how to escape one's addiction to pornography is to take God with you [the addict] in all we do, even when one reverts to pornography, take God with you and confess to God that you (the addict) are unable to stop yourself from seeking pornography, that you are helpless, you want to stop and so far you can't, and tell God you love Him, and know He loves you, and you wish to be His, but you have no control over your compulsive addiction toward porno. He must tell God that it is up to Him (GOD) to change his very nature that pornography becomes no longer a desire. And the Holy Spirit will change his very nature so as to be delivered from this addiction, We must remain in fellowship with God even when we are weak and doing wrong things, and observe first hand God's love and deliverance. It may take awhile, but trust God (faith), He loves you and wants to deliver you when asked. It may take awhile, be patient, God will not fail.


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Arthur Biele

 2011/10/6 21:21Profile









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Art, you obviously haven't done an Exhaustive study on "Pornea" - which includes any type of sexual sins.
It's the one spoken of the most in the N.T. and the one that Paul and others give the greatest amount of Scriptural advice on ... and "Just Stop" is a good paraphrase of just one of Paul's exhortations regarding it.
Do a complete N.T. search and then study on "fornication" and see what you see at the end of that search & study.
I did that a long time ago in order to understand it and help somebody. It's very clear what GOD says on this particular sin regarding the flesh, and how His Body is to handle such things.
See how important that it is, that this particular 'sin' be nipped in the bud, dealt with immediately and Paul's recommendation on 'how'. We may not believe in sinless-perfection, but His Word is quite clear on the "how long" should we allow certain type sins in our own flesh and in the Church. Time to get rugged with this one and not be wimps-for-women. The 'flesh-hooks' need to go or the person will have 'voluntarily' drowned themselves. This one is serious-business and His Word gives ALL the advice that any man needs - period.
To call it an "addiction" is to use the secularists terms. Paul does not even hint at that term in The Word, so neither does GOD. It's just something that some folks 'prefer' to do, over loving GOD over SELF pleasure... period again.

 2011/10/6 22:01
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Okay Jesus-is-God.

If what you say works, that is good. I was simply giving my personal view on the matter, and certainly not the final word on such a vast topic.

BTW, I have no personal desire to look up fornication, nor all other sexual acts mentioned in the Bible. Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived had many wives, had many male and female concubines. The same with his father David. It is not the sex that is wrong, nor the number of partners one has sex with, at least if you believe the OT. But adultery and murder is unacceptable before God. Even in the NT, Paul informed Clergy they should have but one wife. There was no prohibition toward a Christian having more than one wife.

As for me, one wife is certainly plenty. And a wonderful woman, mother,and wife she is.




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Arthur Biele

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Art, if all you can give is Pre-Christ's Crucifiction & Resurrection examples - then you shouldn't be on this thread unless you've studied what I mentioned above, because the words of our New Testament, given to us at such a great cost, should be our guide book, by the Nail Prints in His Hands and sending of His Spirit to indwell and direct into All Truth.
Some use the O.T. ONLY when it's Convienent!


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There was no prohibition toward a Christian having more than one wife.




Where/when will these type posts end?

 2011/10/7 0:41
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(quote)Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived had many wives, had many male and female concubines. The same with his father David. It is not the sex that is wrong, nor the number of partners one has sex with, at least if you believe the OT.(quote)

Ok i have never heard that they had male concubines? please give scripture if you post something like that. I do not believe that solomon and david where homosexuals.


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 2011/10/7 8:00Profile
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BTW, I have no personal desire to look up fornication, nor all other sexual acts mentioned in the Bible. Solomon, the wisest man that ever lived had many wives, had many male and female concubines. The same with his father David. It is not the sex that is wrong, nor the number of partners one has sex with, at least if you believe the OT.



Seriously Art? Repent dude, David and Solomon didn't have male concubines that's just really bad interpretation.

David and Solomon both LOVED the Law of God dearly. David wrote his loving devotion to the Law of God, and what was forbidden in the Law of God? homosexuality, David wept bitterly for one act of adultery he wouldn't have been caught dead with official concubine males because it would have simply been a HUGE contradition to David's Love for the Word.

But sure go ahead please point me to the scriptures that state these two men were homosexual and had male concubines.

If you are trying to set up a good argument at least use good scriptural evidence and interpretation, otherwise on this particular forum you won't get any respect as a student of the Scriptures and will hardly be taken seriously.


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 2011/10/7 8:21Profile
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Jesus-is-GOD on 2011/10/6 21:41:30 wrote:

"Art, if all you can give is Pre-Christ's Crucifiction & Resurrection examples - then you shouldn't be on this thread unless you've studied what I mentioned above, because the words of our New Testament, given to us at such a great cost, should be our guide book, by the Nail Prints in His Hands and sending of His Spirit to indwell and direct into All Truth.
Some use the O.T. ONLY when it's Convienent!"

I find using both the OT and the NT have lots to say to us when used in context.



Jesus-is-GOD on 2011/10/6 21:41:30 also wrote:

"[quote ArtB]There was no prohibition toward a Christian having more than one wife.





Where/when will these type posts end?"

And I will reply with William Paley's famous line: "Who can refute a sneer."

The reality is that Paul clearly stated that, what we call clergy, (i.e. Bishops, Pastors,etc.) must have no more than one wife. This recommendation was based upon Paul's view that having one wife requires a husband to spend a considerable amount of time with her in their union together. Having two wives would require even more considerable time to also please the 2nd wife with the same quality time she deserves. And then there will be more children to raise, teach, and to spend quality time with.

Paul's ideal for clergy was to have no wives so that they could spend all their time spreading and teaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, just like himself. But he allowed for one wife for clergy due to the way God made us.

And Paul is correct on this. But Paul saw no need to impose one wife only on non-clergy. It is quite clear from his comments that he did not object to non-clergy Christians having a second wife. And there were Christians who had more than one wife. If Paul felt this was wrong, Paul would have explicitly banned all Christian men from taking more than one woman as a wife, and not just single out Clergy. There were Christians over the next four centuries who had more than one wife.

As for me, I think one wife is plenty. I have enough trouble pleasing the one.

Later on would come the Catholic Church, led by Jerome and Augustine, banning marriage altogether for clergy. A good reason for this was so the Priest could be wholly dedicated to his duties full time as Paul suggested. The real reason for this is that the Catholic Church need not waste wealth on clergy families and that clergy families will not inherit property when the Clergy pass away, it will belong to the Church.

As for the topic, pornography totally distorts and perverts the beautiful sexual relationship between a man and a woman, and the oneness intended in that union, and of the overall loving family union including the Children.








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