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John, sorry to hear about your back. I have two questions for you:

1. have you received continuing chiropractic care?

2. what is the Gospel to you; are you able to tell me the Gospel or way to salvation in just one sentence?

PaulWest: Thank you Brother Paul for clarifying for me on that question. I think i understand better now. : )

 2011/9/25 3:35Profile









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The issue here is not whether bible4life is saved or not. That is immaterial. He may or may not have had an encounter with Christ in the past - it is sometimes not easy to say. The problem is not about having a period of dryness either. One can have dryness yet still be seeking to hear God speak again and not giving Satan ground. What bible4life is doing however, is speaking the words of Satan having believed them himself, which is not to be tolerated without rebuke on a Christain board.

He is casting doubt into the minds of the weak and babes and this is not good. We do have infiltrators in the church though I am not accusing in this case without more evidence.

I have never heard such dangerous counsel before for him to wait in his darkness till God delivers him and not try to stop his sinning himself. Although only the power of God can deliver from the power of sin, for individual sins even the unsaved can chose to quit them. The fight will continue in other areas for example an ex alcoholic will turn to another addiction unless he is saved, but that does not mean that it was pointless for him to give up alcohol. Some sins are much more destructive and lust and pornograpy destroys ones relationship with ones spouse.

bible34life is given a lot of attention and sympathy here which is not healthy for him. But being told to get himself saved, is not the answer.

He must chose whether to listen to the enemy or not and if he continues to listen to him then he is responsible for the resulting suffering. To be delivered one must make a stand and chose to listen to the truth of scripture.

In 8 years there must have been some help given from delivererance ministry correct me if I am wrong bible4life. But even that is unecessary if one is ready to do business with God. Satan is a liar and it is up to you whom you will believe. God is good despite any appearance in ones life and if there is nothing but evil then you are daily chosing the fruit of that path. You cant blame God for that.

 2011/9/25 4:04
PaulWest
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Quote by Krautfrau: "What bible4life is doing however, is speaking the words of Satan having believed them himself, which is not to be tolerated without rebuke on a Christain board."

Actually, it is not your place to rebuke anyone on this board. You cannot possibly presume to know what a person believes in his or her heart, especially one in an anonymous online forum such as this. The site moderators ask you before you post that you consider praying and ask the Lord if you have the right spirit to serve others in the body of Christ. Please also look at these scriptures: Matthew 12:36, James 1:26, Colossians 4:6.

Jesus-is-God, the same thing applies. Jesus Christ would not have posted in the spirit that you did. Sometimes - especially when we are vexed - it is rather best to remain silent and be counted wise than to flex our finger and hit "submit" and remove all doubt. I understand many of the points you were trying to make; my advice, dear friend, is this: Let whosoever will come and glean what good they can from this thread, and let God handle the reproofing, if reproofing is in order. For he alone knows the heart. There is a way to express ourselves that does not strip away the dignity of another human being. If we count oursevles mature enough to give spiritual advice in the name of God in a public forum such as this, we must also be able to discern our own spirits. Otherwise everything we are trying to say gets automatically cancelled out. May God bless you as you consider these things before responding.

Brother Paul


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Paul Frederick West

 2011/9/25 5:13Profile









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Paul West, you don't Know the spirit or heart that went into my post. Neither do you know the tears that went with it. When you love people - I mean truly love them and have appealed to them In that love for years - you then find that all that comes to your mind is Scripture after Scripture from our New Testaments of the danger that person is in and that is what you read.

After reading your last post on this previous page, I now understand why the atmosphere has been opened up to where now posters may literally use curse words here and boast of 30 yrs of sinful exploits - something that was Not permitted here in the past.
Females and the young in Christ that are trying to get a footing within an unclean world should be able to come to what was once a spiritual oasis in cyberspace and not be defiled.
We lost a few young teens on this site, just this year - because of the liberality that's taken a foothold and some sisters have backed off because of it as well.

When you post anything that even remotely suggests that a person stay in their sin - who would be more at fault - that person or the one crying out behind a keyboard?
Obedience is written through-out and not waiting to do so and why I posted the Hebrews 3 at the first.

I do not "covet" anything here and while here the only thing remotely like "coveting" that I felt, was for the Love and Fear of GOD to have the predominance among us - once and for all - for the time is shorter than we think and the days are so obviously becoming increasingly dark - and most men are being tempted on a daily basis and are struggling to stand pure and only His Word and delivered as He had His first Church deliver it will help anyone in these days and the days ahead.

{eta}Most of these posts by the few here, are continuously 'accusing GOD' that "Jesus" hasn't done enough for them and those accusations against Christ are not being addressed for this last year.
Accusations against Christ should not be allowed on a daily basis if we are trying to present the
Real Christ Jesus to a dying world without those accusations being addressed.



Praying for the conference in Oct and the future of those who are struggling to love and obey GOD, presently here.
In Jesus' Name.

 2011/9/25 12:34
PaulWest
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"Paul West, you don't Know the spirit or heart that went into my post. Neither do you know the tears that went with it. When you love people - I mean truly love them and have appealed to them In that love for years - you then find that all that comes to your mind is Scripture after Scripture from our New Testaments of the danger that person is in and that is what you read."

This maybe so, but neither do you know the heart of the poster whose salvation you publically judged as phony. As with Krautfrau, it is not your place to rebuke people in this forum, no matter what you feel you have discerned in the Lord. If you truly loved this person as you claim, you would preserve his or her dignity and save such a rebuke for private correspondence. This is a public forum, and people are encouraged to come and share their issues and failings without fear of rebukes and judgments upon their salvation as you have done. Issuing rebukes is also breach of forum etiquette and violation of SI guidelines. You are a guest here, please remember.

"After reading your last post on this previous page, I now understand why the atmosphere has been opened up to where now posters may literally use curse words here and boast of 30 yrs of sinful exploits - something that was Not permitted here in the past."

I think this is a pretty unfair accusation, as I put much prayer and scriptural contemplation into my posts and always endeavor to seek the heart of God and be an example here. I will let God defend my ministry and my posts, as He knows my heart. You are urged to usher no more rebukes to any other user of this forum. Thank you for complying.

Paul



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Paul Frederick West

 2011/9/25 13:09Profile









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Just one reply, with full recognition that you men have jobs and families to attend to as well and cannot possibly monitor every post or IP address on every thread ---

Not an "accustation" against him, Paul, but something that he's stated in many of his posts over the last 3 yrs, that he didn't think that he was saved...

And in other posts and/or posters as well ...

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40772&forum=36&start=180&189


Precious are the wounds of a Friend.


Take care.

 2011/9/25 14:04
PaulWest
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Thank you, dear sister, for understanding and acknowledging that we have families and lives outside of these forum walls! We can't possibly catch every single thread, but we certainly try. I take my ministry here very seriously, as though it be charge from God (as it is). Speaking for myself, I am far from perfect, and as a result I don't expect others using this forum to be perfect. But one thing we can all work on (and must, if God is to lend our posts any measure of authority) is a careful understanding and gentleness on how to converse over this medium.

Dealing with each other in this forum is different than speaking to each other face-to-face. We are all at the mercy of this cold, expressionless keyboard font. Knowing this, we must pray for extra wisdom in gettting our ideas across without demeaning and humiliating others. I well understand the frustration that can entail being misunderstood, or even worse, thinking someone is toying with your sincerity as you heartfully attempt to minister into their situation. But we need to have self-restraint and always look to the Lord in prayerful meekness before seeking to reply in a venting fashion. We need to ask ourselves: "What if I judged the situation wrong, not fully knowing the heart of my reader? How will my words come off sounding? Will it provoke him or her to thirst for holiness and a greater desire to be more like Jesus, or will it just make them want to save face and challenge me?"

These are real principles we as moderators especially have to deal with. The deal with my post being misunderstood, for example. Anyone who knows me knows I do not in any way, shape or form condone sin, or encourage believers to continue in deliberate, premeditative sin. In fact, many people have left the forum over the years because of a correction I brought in regard to their sin. On the other hand, like the Apostle Paul in Romans 3:8, I too have been slanderously accused of teaching believers "to do evil so good may come", simply because people have not taken the time to read the post slowly and with discernment. To them, a graceful, compassionate approach to a child of God who is struggling with sin is heretical. These people get offended, and because their pet doctrines are challenged and their limited understanding of God's grace for the backslidden in Christ is exposed, they pick a sentence out from your post and go on the attack. But usually such people have issues to begin with, a bone to pick, and they've come into this forum with an agenda and are looking for a confrontation.

If you read Hudson Taylor, or Chambers or Watchman Nee or Octavius Winslow, you will basically hear them all say the same things I expressed in my previous post. But those with ears to hear and a heart to judge (and not an agenda to fulfill) can make the determination themselves. Test all spirits, hold onto what is good.

Brother Paul


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 2011/9/25 14:41Profile
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Krautfrau, i'm sorry maybe i missed something but i do not see where he spoke "the words of satan" or how he is "casting doubt into the minds of the weak and babes". I consider myself among the weakest and he has not cast any doubts about God into my mind at all. I think he is struggling and desperate (chronic pain and suffering can do that to people). He sounds confused and bewildered. For many years i was every bit as confused as him and desperately asking anyone and everyone for help and advice, never getting a concrete answer or solution but always receiving condemnation and judgementalism freely. It is important to gather all facts before arriving at a conclusion.


Jesus-is_God/Krautfrau:

The rebuke may have been well intended and justified. However, it did come off as just a bit harsh in the way it was said, regardless of how you felt or meant it. Especially in reference to his salvation. The verse "speak the truth in love" comes to mind. It IS "loving" to speak the truth but HOW we express it can make all the difference in the world.
An exception would be in rebuking people who are arrogant and proud such as scorners and Pharisees (as Jesus rebuked them) or someone who *stubbornly* refuses to leave a certain sinful lifestyle though they know it is wrong.

 2011/9/25 20:41Profile









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Look I understand that i post a lot of the same things about my problems here and i truly do not mean it to mess with anyone, but over the past couple of years i have really struggled like i never have before and i have not been ready to handle it, I had sought the Lord on so many occasions where i wasn't answered right away or not answered at all in my perspective at least, the Lord was probably answering in his own way that was best for me. But, for me as an early Christian the Lord had answered my prayers almost all the time, but these past years it has not been the same and it really scared me and though i am learning it still scares me. I once on the site was called Bible1985, but one day when trying to long in it wouldn't let me, so i switched names to bible4life, and i think i was able sometime after that to get back on as bible1985, but not to be decieving i know that. But i have stayed using bible4life for a long time now, so i really am being honest the Lord knows. I do apologize for all the same prayer requests, i guess things get really bad at times and i believe the prayers of all the believers will help even more than my own prayers. Also sometimes i need encouragement and reencouragement and to tell you the truth this site has been better for me and so much help compared to where i live, their really isn't to much of anyone to turn to. In the sense of people understanding what i am going through, this site has many people who understand and have went through some of the same trials or worse, so it is helpful to give me encouragement. I know it seems i am not taking the wisdom from brothers and sisters which i don't know if i am or not, i think with these attacks on my health it is more of less wisdom i need but to be set free and delivered, on the other hand about my salvation and falling away and my spiritual thinking i need wisdom an encouragement, it has been hard to just be changed by others words, it gives me hope, but the Spirit of God has been at times quiet in my life and at times i have felt like He would never return. So though everything everyone said was precious and right, i just have not seemed to be able to change from it. But i am being truthful, i post because i need your prayers and i feel comforted in posting them. I am sorry if i hurt anyone or upset anyone or hurt anyones faith, i really do love this site. john

 2011/9/26 0:59









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That's a crazy testimony. I respect that honesty, Endzone.


 2011/9/26 1:56





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