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Endzone... whats with the personal attacks on me? I dont do that to you.

You're going off on me without knowing anything about me or what it is I believe. If you did you would never say those things to me.

Zeal without wisdom makes one look like a fool.

Krispy

 2011/8/25 13:44
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If , as some want to say that this earthquake in Virginia is some kind of judgment then would the same thing be said of the one that happened in Chile as well? I saw there was an after shock in Virginia this morning. Is this judgment or just a plain instance of the earth shifting? When does spiritual discernment come into play vs it being a natural thing?


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When does spiritual discernment come into play



Not very often these days!

Krispy

 2011/8/25 15:50









 Re: Enfzone and all

Spiritual discernment always comes from the word. I have posted the scriptural references found in Mat 24, Mk 13, and Lk 21. Others such as Abideinhim have posted scripture references plus the well informed track from Azuza St. Simpleliving gave an excellent summation of the things that are happening in the world and what God is saying to us.

I do not understand why this forum objects to those who speak of the second return of Jesus Christ. This has aleays been the hope of the church for the last 2000 years. In Acts 1:11 the angel tells the disciples that this same Jesus will come back in the same way that you have seen him go onto heaven. The early church thought he would return and he did not. 2000 years of church history has not seen his return. BUY DOES THAT MEAN HE WILL NOT RETURN. Just because he has not returned in the last 2000 years does not negate the fact THAT HE WILL RETURN.

If memory serves the various creeds of the church have believed in the second return of Jesus Christ. For those of you who are reformed I think Martin Luther and John Calvin bieved in the second return of Jrsus Christ. Krispy I think even R. C. Sproul belives in the second return of Jesus Christ. I have read stuff by Tozer that indicated he believed in Christ return. John MacArthur believed in Christ return. What am I missing here???

Jesus gave specific signs which would herald his return. This was in answer to his disciples questionss as found on Mat 24:3. The question is actually 2 questions. The first question had to do with the destruction of the temple. This occurred in 70 AD. The second question.the disciples asked was what would be the SIGNS of his coming and of the end of the age. Jreus then spells out the wars, famines, earthquakes, etc.

As such I believe it is right to inquire of God and ask are the earthquakes as well as other signs that which precede his return. Is he coming in our lifetime. Should we be ready. It is dangerous to assume that the signs are merely natural events or Jesus want return for another thousand years. I will not play that game with my soul.

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 2011/8/25 20:50
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Miriam and Moses



"My God, Moses, the girl is black!"

The end of Miriam's attack

Made Moses wince and set his jaw

Like stone to guard his tongue with law,

And hold his peace, if somehow love

Might be reborn. There was more dove

In Moses than the hawk. Her words,

Like wolves upon the hapless herds

Of Midian, had almost ripped

The meekness from his heart and stripped

Him of the deep respect he'd known

For Miriam. Almost a stone

Now, Moses watched his sister's face,

And feared, lest pedigree and race

Had eaten, like a leprosy

Of pride, the root of sympathy,

And killed the power to confess,

And serve as Israel's prophetess.



Two years Zipporah had been dead.

And though she was not born or bred

A Hebrew lass, she looked like one.

Perhaps too swarthy in the sun

Some said. But few denied that she

Was strong and helped her husband be

The greatest man in Israel.

None doubted Moses loved her well.

Now she was gone, and in her place

The great man Moses turned his face

To love a Cushite slave. He shocked

All Israel. And while some mocked,

He married her and made her free,

And said, "She will be wife to me.

Zipporah came from Midian,

The Cushite from the Land of Sun.

God made them love himself, then me;

There is here no idolatry."



But Miriam seemed singed with hell:

"Are there no maids in Israel!

And is our own tribe so unfit

That you should turn your face and spit

On all the widows in the land

And offer up your noble hand

To foreigners? Has not the clan

Of Levi any wives a man

Like you could love or tolerate?

Or, Moses, do you really hate

Your own, to raid a Cushite shack?

My God, Moses, the girl is black!"



The thought flashed over Moses' mind:

This is not Miriam, the kind,

And gentle prophetess. Oh, she

Was strong, but animosity

Was not the way her strength would show.



And then she gave another blow,

And stunned her brother once again:

"Do you think you're the only man

Who hears the Lord in Israel?

When God has plans does he not tell

To me as well, and Aaron too,

What he designs and plans to do?"



The knuckles of his hand turned white

Around his rod, and all the might

Of Moses' meekness ruled his heart,

Until the silence broke apart

With heaven's voice: "Come out you three

Before the tent. Confer with me,

And we will have a reckoning."

And as they came before the King,

The Lord descended in a cloud,

And stood with glory for a shroud,

And said to Miriam, "Stand forth

With Aaron now and hear the worth

Of murmuring against the friend

Of God. There is a sudden end

For pride in priest and prophet both.

Beware, for I am God, and loath

To let my friend be vilified

For long. Do you not know I hide

My plans from prophets in a dream:

They are not always what they seem.

Not so with Moses, Miriam,

All of the words I speak to him

Are mouth to mouth and clear as day,

And he knows everything I say.

Why were you not afraid to mock

The faithful shepherd of my flock?"



And suddenly the cloud was gone,

And Aaron looked, and saw upon

The skin of Miriam, as white

As melting snow, the dreaded sight

Of leprosy. And Aaron turned,

"Have mercy Moses, we have learned

Our lesson well. Let her not be

Among the living dead. For we

Are old, and do not always say

What we approve. Now, brother, pray

For her."


Before the words were out

Of Aaron's mouth there was no doubt

What Moses meant to do. He knelt

Beside the rotting flesh and felt

A wave of pity break behind

His eyes and flood his face with tears,

And heave his chest for all the years

That he had known his sister's joy,

Since he was just a little boy.

She pressed her forehead into him,

And heard him say, "I love you Mim.

It's only right, you know, that I

Should hold you near me now and try

To save your life the way you saved

Me more than once, because you braved

The river glades and made the ark

To carry me with pitch and bark

Above the flood of Pharaoh's wrath.

And many times along the path

For eighty years now you have raised

Me up with songs, and I have praised

The Lord for your prophetic gift.

Forbid that there should be a rift

Between us in the evening of

Our lives; I feel the same deep love

For you today I felt beside the sea

When you sang out the victory

Of God, and led the massive choir:

Ten thousand women full of fire!

Oh, Miriam! Has not our God

Been good to us! You see this rod?

It's been a snake, and eaten three!

It's beckoned frogs and split the sea.

Now, Miriam, I'm going to pray."


"There's something first I'd like to say,

I'm sorry, Moses. What I said

About your wife was wrong. Your bed

Is pure. Of all the women I

Have taught in Israel, they fly

Beneath the heights of faith and love

Where she's at home just like a dove

On wind. And it is no surprise

That you should choose not Hebrew eyes

Or Hebrew skin, but one who loves

Your God and soars on wind with doves.

It was an ugly thing to say,

Perhaps the leprosy should stay."



"I think not, Miriam! Let's pray:

O God, I simply ask today

That you would heal my sister's life;

Remove the remnants of our strife.

Create a bond between my wife

And Miriam, and let no knife

From earth or hell divide with pride,

Or shame."



And so the Lord replied,

"I give you what your love has seen:

In seven days she will be clean."



Today let fire from candle three

Consume all family enmity.

Let all repent and all forgive.

Let Miriam and Moses live.

And as we sing the birth of Christ,

Think well why He was sacrificed.

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Numbers 12

1And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.

2And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.

3(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

4And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.

5And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.

6And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

7My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.

8With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

9And the anger of the LORD was kindled against them; and he departed.

10And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

11And Aaron said unto Moses, Alas, my lord, I beseech thee, lay not the sin upon us, wherein we have done foolishly, and wherein we have sinned.

12Let her not be as one dead, of whom the flesh is half consumed when he cometh out of his mother's womb.

13And Moses cried unto the LORD, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech thee.

14And the LORD said unto Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days? let her be shut out from the camp seven days, and after that let her be received in again.

15And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in again.

16And afterward the people removed from Hazeroth, and pitched in the wilderness of Paran.


http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/poems/miriam-and-moses




 2011/8/26 1:55Profile
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The earthquake in Virginia last Tuesday was the largest one to hit the Eastern Coast of America since 1897.

One of the few buildings damaged by the quake was the National Cathedral:
http://www.ecusa.anglican.org/79425_129551_ENG_HTM.htm

Could there be a connection between the very sad state of the Episcopalean Church, the pain it has caused God's heart, and this event?

Personally, I believe that all natural disasters, small and great, are a reminder that something is not right in our world. When God created the world all was good, very good. Only after sin entered the world did suffering begin, God's loving wake-up call. I believe (so brutal it might seem) that every form of suffering that we know, including the suffering caused by natural disasters, began sometime after the fall in order to point us back home to God.

O LORD, in distress they sought you; they poured out a whispered prayer when your discipline was upon them.
Isaiah 26:16

 2011/8/26 5:45Profile
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I came across this a week ago. I know the target audience is Ninevah, but the writer is stating the obvious and how God will unleash His power in response to their rebellion. Those of us who live in storm prone areas, whose livelihood is weather dependent do take these concepts seriously.

(BTW, we are very dry, ...our rains have been very scattered, the yards are turning brown. Usually we get lots of rain beginning the last part of August but there is none in the forecast in the next week.)

Nahum 1:2-7 NASB:

2 A jealous and avenging God is the LORD;
The LORD is avenging and wrathful.
The LORD takes vengeance on His adversaries,
And He reserves wrath for His enemies.

3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And the LORD will by no means leave the guilty unpunished.
In whirlwind and storm is His way,
And clouds are the dust beneath His feet.

4 He rebukes the sea and makes it dry;
He dries up all the rivers.
Bashan and Carmel wither;
The blossoms of Lebanon wither.

5 Mountains quake because of Him
And the hills dissolve;
Indeed the earth is upheaved by His presence,
The world and all the inhabitants in it.

6 Who can stand before His indignation?
Who can endure the burning of His anger?
His wrath is poured out like fire
And the rocks are broken up by Him.

7 The LORD is good,
A stronghold in the day of trouble,
And He knows those who take refuge in Him.


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 Re: Miriam and Moses

That is a great poem! Did you write that?

 2011/8/26 11:50Profile
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BREAKING NEWS:

President Obama has just confirmed that the DC earthquake occurred on a rare and obscure fault-line, apparently known as "Bush's Fault". Obama also announced that the Secret Service and Maxine Waters are continuing an investigation of the quake's suspicious ties to the Tea Party. Conservatives however have proven that it was caused by the founding fathers rolling over in their graves. Residents of D.C. don't be alarmed with the earthquake or aftershocks. That is just the country shifting to the RIGHT!!





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