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Satan will gladly let his influence off of a person with less lethal sins if that person will give in to the much larger sins ... as in, instead of using the curse word - to make that curse word a way of life instead.

If 'we' don't submit to obedience to His Word, our conscience becomes seared as with a hot iron. It takes our co-operation with His Word and His Spirit, and we don't sin against our own will. We don't sit and wait for GOD to deliver us from stealing - we are told to just 'steal not'.
We don't quit stealing by stealing a little less each day neither.
If we continue to steal for decades after any 'profession' of Christ's indwelling - we need to learn His Word on living a lifestyle of sin.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And if Fornication is mentioned much more in His Word than any other sin - we need all the more to know of His Word on these things.

Obedience does not wait for decades and tempt GOD against His Own Word on these issues.

The word "delivered" is being misused in these circles that teach this particular "demonology" and "obedience" is a much neglected directive.
Easier to blame the devil and that GOD "hasn't 'delivered' yet" than to Know what His Word says about obedience - such as ....

1Th 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
1Th 4:4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
1Th 4:5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
1Th 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
1Th 4:8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

 2011/8/5 13:55
mikey2
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Jesus-is-God,

Nice try, but you are twisting the Word to fit your theology. This has never been the view of these scriptures. This man was being punished that he may repent and recover. We see later that Paul instructed the church to forgive and receive him.

That verse does not say that he was not saved at that time, but that he might be saved instead of lost in the day of the Lord Jesus. (lose his salvation).

Paul, was not in the habit of turning over unbelievers to Satan and the NT does not teach us to do that. That is ridiculous. At the least, he would have preached the gospel to that lost soul and cast that demon out of that man. Otherwise, if the man was lost and somehow been allowed in the fellowship of believers and rejected the gospel, Paul would have just said have no fellowship with him. Basically, kick him out.

I don't see believers going around and delivering unbelievers to Satan. They are already delivered to Satan!

This does not mean that the man was to die under the infliction of this punishment, for the object was to recover him if through his punishment he would repent; and it is evident that, whatever he suffered as the consequence of this, he survived it, and Paul again instructed the Corinthians to admit him to their fellowship, 2Co_2:7.


Mike

P.S. When Christians are partying with demons (living in sin as you say) through their sin, do they lose their salvation? You are setting yourself up as judge that they were never saved.

As I said, Paul never delivered the LOST to SATAN. He delivered Christians to Satan that were in gross, unrepentant sin, but it was always towards a view of repentance and recovery.

1Ti 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Paul was excluding these men from the fellowship of the Church and it was with a view to redemption.

 2011/8/5 14:04Profile
Christinyou
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How can any satanic force stand against God?

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

If God wants to save a person, and Jesus to be born again in that person and they have a demon, there is no necessity of outward appearance or any pomp or circumstance all Jesus has to say is "Go".

Even the devils know when Jesus is present, they will be cast out.

Matthew 8:31-32 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine. And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

Devils must yield in the presence of Jesus, they have no thought of how are we going to keep this person demon possessed, they must flee and be destroyed as the pigs.

No Christ born son of God can have a demon possession.

In Christ: Phillip


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Phillip

 2011/8/5 14:26Profile









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No Satanic force can stand against God. However, we can, because God will not violate our wills. If we welcome sin and Satan, then they are happy to oblige us. But it will be painful and God knows that it will turn to our judgement and chastising and we will soon want deliverance because of either our willfulness or plain ignorant stupidity of the forces of darkness and what kinds of doors sin will open in our lives.

That is why Paul says, "we are not ignorant of his (Devil) devices". In other words, Don't Be Ignorant!

As a roaring lion, Satan wants to devour you.

Julius

 2011/8/5 14:34









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Paul instructed that Church in 2 Corth that they should except this man's 'Repentence'.

You don't "cast a demon out" of a man who is in WILLFUL sin.

You're talking in circles without the Word.


You need to read this whole chapter again Mike.

1Co 5:1 "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.

1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company,

**if any man that is called a brother** be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth.

Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."


To put a "wicked person" away from us is enough to not try to lighten the state of his soul at that point.

Regardless of how you see this - this man would not have been saved at the day of the LORD Jesus had he not repented.


Combine with the next chapter, where he goes on to say ...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1Co 6:11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.





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P.S. When Christians are partying with demons (living in sin as you say) through their sin, do they lose their salvation?




Is that a real question - considering what The Word says?


Again, if the man in Corinth did not repent, he would not have been saved on the day of the LORD Jesus.





 2011/8/5 14:35









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I think you missed what Mike said.

That is why they did not cast the demon out. Because he was unrepentant. His was willful sin and he would not repent. Instead, they cast HIM out. Excommunicated him from the fellowship.

Paul is clear, without this man repenting and being restored to fellowship with the church, he would have been lost in the day of the Lord.

Mike is not disagreeing with you that this man would have been lost in the day of the Lord, if he continued in his willful sin.

Christians living in willful sin and rebellion are unrighteous people and that is right, unrighteous, people, unrepentant, should be cast out. You cannot call a Christian living in willful sin a righteous person. You call him a backslidden person just like Hosea talks about when talking about backslidden Israel. He did not call Israel righteous, he called them backslidden. God even calls them worse. Whores, adulterers, etc.

A little leaven, leavens the whole lump.

In the early days of the church, believer's fellowships were for believers only not like today.

Julius



 2011/8/5 14:53









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That is why they did not cast the demon out.




Friend, where does it ever say in 1 or 2nd Corinthians that this man had a demon?

They turned his flesh over to Satan to be buffeted - not to be possessed. There's no where that the sin in this case is blamed on an indwelling demon and no where that any demon that was sent to buffet his flesh needed to be cast back out after he repented.

 2011/8/5 15:01









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My observation is that this is the fork in the road where you and others disagree that a Christian can open himself up through gross sin to demonic attacks and possibly demons lodging in his body.

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Friend, where does it ever say in 1 or 2nd Corinthians that this man had a demon?



It does not have to say it. There are some Christians who believe if you commit fornication or adultery you have already welcomed a demon into your life and this is supported all throughout scripture if you have eyes to see.

Julius

 2011/8/5 15:04









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Yes, that's right Brother, because our body is the Temple of The LORD and He will not cohabit with demons and I see that through these verses ....

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


Eph 5:29-32 "For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
for we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones.
...... and they two shall be one flesh.
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."

 2011/8/5 15:10
sarahsdream
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Will anyone answer my earlier question?

When the very presence of God (the ark of the covenant) was in Israel, why did God let Israel's enemies inside their borders to attack and ravage them? Why didn't He keep them out because His own presence was within Israel?

Thank you,
Sarah

 2011/8/5 15:43Profile





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